Imagine apartments built into what used to be department stores, (Oh, you’re JC Penny 203? I’m at Sears 106). Get those old arcades up and running. Set up meal stations at the food court. Once people actually live there, stores will start to move back in.

If I’m unable to finish my life in my own home, that doesn’t sound like a terrible option.

By subway. By bus. By bike. Walking. The world by and large doesn’t revolve around cars. How do you think Europeans get there?

Public transport…and their countries are small as fuck. The amount of people who think the USA is the same size as European countries is hilarious. Most states are the size of a few eu countries.

Yeah, so? Are you going to a mall in the next state or what? Public transport connects suburbs and cities. You’re not supposed to take the subway from Chicago to your favorite mall in Seattle, just like no European takes a bus from Amsterdam to go shopping in Brussels.

Yes, that’s what Europeans don’t understand about America. When we go to, say, Wal Mart, there’s only one. We have to go to Bentonville, AR. Not so bad for us here in the Midwest, but the residents of Alaska have it particularly tough. And since you go to Wal Mart to pick up milk, we can’t go by public transport. It has to be by car, or better yet, drive the Canyonero. (No train schedule can predict when the milk runs out!)

The country is so big, and we have so much empty land, there’s just simply no room to build more stores near where people live. What kind of madness would that be?!

(No train schedule can predict when the milk runs out!)

How about YOU predicting when milk runs out? I’m not asking you to do five-year plan, but it’s easy to know when milk will run our.

The country is so big, and we have so much empty land

Russia is bigger and has more empty land. Despite Putin’s idiocy with invading other country.

Ha, I thought that the blatant contradiction about having too much space and therefore not enough space would make the joke obvious, but I guess not.

Also, a Canyonero isn’t a real vehicle. It was a joke from The Simpsons.

The joke was obvious, and you even doubled down by suggesting people intentionally go to Bentonville. I appreciated it

Also, a Canyonero isn’t a real vehicle

I just ignored that part because of it

Nope but the nearest mall to me is 2 hours drive. No one is building rails out into the smaller counties. The USA is massive. I’ve lived in Europe, its a lot smaller, and people still have cars. Not saying this couldn’t work for cities but people forget how spread out we are here in the usa.

Nope but the nearest mall to me is 2 hours drive.

Have you considered that this is because most of space in USA is allocated only for cars? Or that if this space wasn’t allocated to cars, then you wouldn’t need to traverse such disyance in first place?

but people forget how spread out we are here in the usa.

The solution: trains

Look I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t be putting in trains as much as possible but it’s not a solution to cars. Hell in Europe people still drive a good bit.

The solution is not living in the middle of anywhere, two hours away from civilization. If you lived next to the mall, you could go there by foot.

Maybe I’m biased living in a “European” part of the US, but it can translate very well to our country. the problem is not that the place is large, but so many places are suburban or trying to keep that rural feel, yet you want massive warehouse stores for everyday shopping. Everything wants to be its own destination, so there is no real concentration of snything

But every town can have a center where common areas are common. Every town can have a center with whatever shops and restaurants. Every town of every size can have some things in a higher density area that’s walkable. In our mythology, we call it “Main Street, USA” and look back at it as a long gone ideal, but it’s still a useful concept, still around in some places, and can be re-created. In my towns case it did well focussing on restaurants, because you can’t ft a Costco or modern grocery there. But there’s also a library, small movie theater, town Common. All the buses run there, and you can find taxis, bicycles or scooters, a nice river walk,etc. it also has a concentration of apartments and condos, so there are always people around

The rest of the entire world is a teeny bit larger than the US, but they still manage to do public transport just fine, for the most part.

Besides Europe and Japan…no they really don’t.

The amount of people who think the USA is the same size as European countries is hilarious.

Well, Russia is a European country. Also Russia is largest country in the world.

Russia also has shit public transportation because of its size.

That’s a totally fair assessment as well.

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