• Ukrainian forces launched a surprise offensive into Russia’s Kursk region last Tuesday.
  • They have captured around 1,000 square kilometers of Russian land so far, Kyiv’s top general said.
  • That figure is almost as much territory as Russia has seized in Ukraine this year.
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I still wonder what their main objective is

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To disperse the army from the northeastern fronts. Russia is now forced to defend the entire border and cannot focus their attacks on their previous objectives.

This is a good move.

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That, and they can potentially dismantle staging areas for planes and other infrastructure (in this case gas pipeline).

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Both of those, and they force engagements with Russia to force them to throw men and materiel at it, further depleting Russian stockpiles.

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4 points

I keep looking at maps and wondering how Ukraine haven’t been routed and cut off in enemy territory with no supply lines. What they’re doing seems borderline insane but more power to them!

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Wdym? There’s a road that goes right over the border to Sudzha.

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28 points

Leverage for negotiations.

Their gains would be much less for the same expense, were they in areas where Russia expects to be attacked.

It’s the same pattern with bullies - they are always surprised when the victim is no longer forbidden to hit everywhere and not only where the bully took initiative.

Worked in Artsakh in 90’s too against Soviet and Azeri forces. Sadly the last few years (or two decades) have undone this largely.

But just like in Artsakh, they shouldn’t agree to any frozen status, or it will end just like for Artsakh. They should just keep advancing until Russia does something to guarantee their security.

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In my completely unresearched opinion?

“We just kept advancing, and it just kept working”.

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I hope its not just for negotiating.

I hope by breaking the Russian front, they have created openings that they can now exploit to tear down Russian defenses.

Russia has created a really difficult frontal defense thats many layers of mine fields and defensive positions interlaced. But now their sides and backs are exposed and it’s much easier for Ukraine to out flank the defense and unseat Russian defenses.

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Why hope it’s “not just for negotiating”? I mean why not use this as leverage to force the Russians to negotiate on Ukraine’s terms?

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Because its a big tactical advantage that they opened a gaping hole in Russian defensive lines.

Defenses are strongest in the direction they are facing. They are very weak from the sides and even worse from the rear. (Ukraine now has a lot of Russian rear it can take advantage of, from Kursk)

If Ukraine has the manpower they could take this little bit of land, manoeuvre around the Russian lines, wreck their shit and get back a lot of land that was stolen from them.

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I think it’s actually irrelevant really because I don’t reasonably see a situation where Putin is going to be prepared to negotiate. He seems to see this war as his lasting legacy (there have been rumors that he might have some terminal condition, possibly cancer), he doesn’t want his legacy to be defeat, he wants it to be victory even if it requires the death of about 80% of the population.

The only way that Russia would negotiate is if Putin is no longer in charge.

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Could it be for the “peace” negotiations? “OK, we freeze the country’s borders as they are right now, you let us join NATO and the EU, and we get what we captured”.

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“Catch us if you can”

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Mess around! Mess around! Putin’s head is a footie ball! Mess around!

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