Comment by goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on Stance on conflict

just wait til you see what trump does.

At this point, saying Trump would be worse for Palestine is like saying that Himmler would have been worse for the Jews. Possibly technically correct, but also a poor attempted genocide denial.

More have died and more have been made refugees, in the last year; than during the Nakba. This has been the deadliest year for Palestinians, by an order of magnatude, in modern history.

So take your “Trump would be worse” bullshit. Wrap it in sandpaper. And shove it up your ass.

So we agree: both sides of this election support the ongoing genocide being committed by Israel.

do you want more genocide or less genocide?

Seems like the genocide is already accelerating, so this is also a false choice. Either way it will be more.

I’m not saying “don’t vote for Harris” nor am I saying “don’t vote at all”. I support Harris, but pretending she doesn’t support Israel’s genocide or she’ll somehow slow it down is just ignorant of reality.

We are watching the destruction of the Palestinian people in real time and the people able to stop it are entirely unwilling to care.

you are completely ignoring Trump’s track record vis a vis Israel and Palestine. He has been much more fanatical in his support of Israel than any other president, even other republican presidents. For example:

moved the American embassy to Jerusalem
has never once uttered the words “cease fire”, only called for Israel’s “victory”
has never lamented any Palestinian deaths at all
reversed US’s position on Israeli settlements in Palestine (which Biden has again reversed to the original position in accordance with international law)

Give me an answer other than “Trump is worse”. Of course he is.

This is about how Harris could be better. She could be pushing for sanctions on Israel. She could be saying she’ll stop supplying the genocide. She could acknowledge that the genocide is a genocide.

She does none of these things because she doesn’t care.

Yes, vote for her (I will be), but acknowledge that the lesser of two evils is still evil.

Inb4 “I wAnT nO gEnOcIdE” like it’s some kind of clever gotcha response that shows anything but their whole white bougie kid politics having ass.

I want you to stop pretending that she’ll do anything to even slow it down. I encourage you to vote for her and Walz because it serves our country better than Trump and the couch fucker, but admit that the two parties’ positions on Palestine are materially the same. We can’t change anything until we acknowledge the problem.

Because not stopping a roll towards a wall is exactly the same as hitting the fucking accelerator.

Your politics would see us Palestinians all massacred on the altar of “well the dems would have been the same anyways!”

Under Kamala I think we have the possibility of seeing a Netanyahu free Israel, with leadership making more sober decisions.

which side is against it?

I want zero genocide

The Democrats want genocide

The Republicans want genocide

I want zero genocide

me too, but that’s not an option.

so, are you going to vote for more genocide, or less genocide?

Let’s put this in perspective. bibi and Isreal is committing Genocide. Genocide has happened and is still happening. Americans have provided weapons of war and continue to provide weapons of war to Isreal as they have all their allies. The only thing America has failed to do is pressure bibi to stop. Do they have that power? I wouldn’t know. Some people claim to know.

In 2024 we aren’t voting for genocide. We are voting for candidates all claiming to know the exact right thing to do on this particular issue. Will any of this result in turning back the clock on what’s been done? No. Should the united states president be able to midgate the continued conflict? Possibly.

I’m going to remind everyone again. America is not the world police. You don’t want them as the world police. You can continue your campaign against the democrats all you want but please. I beg you. Look at who your allies are in that fight. bibi himself would cum his pants to see the orange dictator take office.

Which side is less genocide?

Remember, The number of dead, The number of refugees, And the number of destroyed buildings, all outnumber what occured in 1948. By several times.

This is the worst ethnic cleansing the region has seen in centuries. Even Saddam racked up less kills when he was gassing Kurds.

that’s not an option

Why?

Okay but it doesn’t seem like that’s a viable option right now

It is a viable option. There is nothing preventing the Democrats from opposing genocide

Biden could do so tomorrow. Harris could then continue that policy

the guy who:

moved the American embassy to Jerusalem
has never once uttered the words “cease fire”
has never lamented any Palestinian deaths at all
reversed US’s position on Israeli settlements in Palestine

yeah, more.

So just like what is happening now.

won’t hold israel accountable for war crimes
won’t allow UN to step in
continue to keep aid from going in

Again how can it get worse for those in Gaza?

If you genuinely don’t think a Trump Presidency could make the situation any worse, you have no right to talk over anyone who’s actually been paying the miniscule-est amount of attention it would take to know better.

Signed, a Palestinian American.

Fuck your privileged ass trying to justify letting us burn.

Try me. How does it get worse than famine, constant bombings, plague, and now polio.

Ignoring what’s happening now doesn’t help anything.

Do you think it’ll get better for those in Ukraine if Trump became king?

famously part of Gaza?

Again how can it get worse for those in Gaza?

this isn’t complicated. more of literally everything.

What’s worse than a genocide we’re allowing to happen…

I’m sure you can use your imagination.

You have the right to ask how things get better for Palestinians if Harris takes office. While you’re at it please take time to ask how do things get better for Americans if trump takes office. The US president doesn’t just set the tone for Palestine. They have influence all over the world.

If Harris wins and the day after the election Isreal signs a treaty won’t you just think for a second what that means

Edit: at the very least acknowledge bibi would like nothing more then to see donald trump in the white house, coward.

BUT WHAT ABOUT

The top level comment this is all from is

Lemmy: bOth PArTiES ARE zIoniSt gEnociDERS!

None of your argument is refuting that.

Then again not expecting much in a meme community*****___*

send more AND put you in jail for protesting that he’s sending more

Did you not watch this administration support and give more funding to the cops who beat up campus protesters?

Is that supposed to be a whataboutism? You mean the same administration that launched a national database for police misconduct? That one? They’re funding STATE cops? how? Or do you mean the feds beating up protesters like that time trump sent Homeland Security to abduct protesters off the street and detain them without charges, did The Biden admin do that too at some point because if they did I must have missed it. So what is your point exactly, that we should enable fascists because why fight it if bOtH SiDeS ArE thE SaME?

Did you not read the articles or watch clips of Trump threatening to deport college kid protestors? People who are commonly citizens…

Did you not watch police protect neo Nazis while they stormed student encampments, and later beat those same students themselves for daring to oppose genocide?

Lancet reports, conservatively, 200k Palestinian deaths. That is more dead than 1948. And you want me to vote for the party that supplied every one of those bombs.

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