Comment by Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on OpenAI Pleads That It Can’t Make Money Without Using Copyrighted Materials for Free

WHO is the one guy who downvotes you???

“NO! UNPROFITABLE BUSINESSES DESERVE TO THRIVE!!! MUST FEED THE BILLIONAIRES!!!”

Maybe OpenAI learned to downvote…

WHO is the one guy who downvotes you???

That’s the bot that ChatGPT operates here on Lemmy.

Lol how about every pirate who fundamentally opposes the copyright system?

How about everyone who uses Google and doesn’t want to see it shut down for scraping copyrighted content to provide a search engine?

Seriously, explain to me what’s different at a fundamental level about OpenAI scraping the web and transforming the data through an LLM and Google scraping the web and transforming the data through their algorithms (which include LLMs)?

Google (used to) scrapes the specific details authorized by robots.txt and uses it to make your content visible.

OpenAI scrapes everything it can technically see, ignoring robots.txt and feeds i to a black box and regurgitates it claiming it’s something new, that it deserves to be paid for.

Quite different actually.

So if OpenAI complies with Robots.txt files then there’s no issue right?

Because then they’re identical. Open AI spent a bunch of money building a powerful system they feed those results to, as did Google.

Literally every page Google shows you, where it also shows you those ads it makes money from, is Google’s content and it is derived from the data it gets scraping the web.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Making a list of website identifiers (names and URLs) so that people can go to them isn’t even slightly the same as making a derived work of the websites’ contents.

Actually Google tries their hardest NOT to point you to content. They scrape the data from sites and display it directly in the search results so that you don’t need to visit any site except Google. Their new AI answers that they are pushing on users are just another step in that direction.

Which is why Google is no longer my default browser. I’d be quite happy if it reverted Back to don’t be evil or just ceased ro exist

Web search used to be about scraping the web to find and present other people’s work as just that… their work. Now the handful of websites claim ownership of the contributions of everyone, and at this point it’s just corporations arguing about who owns your stuff. Pirates will not win out in this argument, except maybe in the very short term.

I dont see why why being downvoted you make some very good points.

Id actually like to see google shut down on copyright grounds. The innovation of necessity would drive foss search alternatives that just ignore said restrictions and most likly we would end up with a better product.

I appreciate the defense of the blind downvotes, though I can’t say I necessarily see how Foss search engines would even be allowed to exist in that case?

There is a difference between allowed and what people do. Piracy isnt allowed u can still pirate literally anything if u want to tho.

You’d probably end up back with AI at that point. A lot easier to distribute a trained model then an entire web index.

Yep but at least the weights would be free

Search engines provide source, they scrap for indexing, but your search gives a list of websites that matches that you will then likely visit. That’s a big fundamental difference.

Google doesn’t sell the search engine as a product.

Yes they do, just indirectly, it’s how they monopolized the online advertising business.

I’ve seen threads where every single comment, no matter how anodyne, has 1 downvote. Don’t bother yourself over it. That way lies madness.

Downvoting for the use of an uncommon word.

Supercalifragalisticexpialidocuious

Edit: 10 people here didn’t grow up with Mary Poppins…

Lmao the down votes on this are really funny to me

What I get a kick out of is the down and upvotes mean basically nothing and yet people still get super sensitive about them. They only move your comment up or down the thread. It’s not like reddit where there is a karma count for all your posts and comments. Hell you don’t even get auto hidden like the way reddit would do. You just get downvoted.

Some people downvote to show disapproval. Others downvote if the comment doesn’t add to the conversation. Still others are just trolling. No one should worry about the downvotes.

See I look at it differently.

An upvote means:

You’re the coolest person that’s ever lived, and I’m desperate for you to put your baby in me, even if that’s not biologically possible! You should be supreme ultimate being of the universe, and all shall cherish your existence until the end of time!

And a downvote means:

You sack of shit! You human garbage! Nobody loves you. Everyone hates you. The world has a better time when you’re not around, you waste of human skin! Your parents should have used a condom, and the world regrets they didn’t every day. Go live under a bridge, homeless, dirty, and alone, you genetic waste of space.

Just imagine baron bomburst and the child catcher furiously downvoting this comment lol

You spelled it wrong you brick.

You could even say his spelling is quite atrocious

Sound was quite atrocious, downvoted 👎

I think people are missing the joke here 😄

Venn diagram of Lemmy users and Mary Poppins stans barely touching.

It’s also really easy to mis-swipe on a comment on some apps.

Some people also suck

anodyne

anodyne /ăn′ə-dīn″/ adjective

Capable of soothing or eliminating pain.
Relaxing. “anodyne novels about country life.”
Serving to assuage pain; soothing.

tanks fer noo werd dae fren

First read serving sausage pain.

That sounds like a misusage of a very common word in French: anodin

I’d say a good 10% of English is just misusing words from other languages to be fair.

I always figure it’s someone whose life has become so pathetic, they bitterly downvote every single comment to try feel some control. And as a result, they feel like the Phantom of the Socials. Alone, but the true master of the place.

“Everyone must wonder, ‘Who keeps downvoting us?’ It is I! The true Master of Lemmy and- No, mother!.. Yes, mother!.. I tried but nobody wants to talk to me!.. I don’t want to!.. Yeah, she’s cute!.. I don’t want you to do that!.. Mother put the phone down!”

LOL, I can picture this person. They probably have a gross-looking bandaid on their downvote finger.

Ask an mbin user lol

I’m unclear on context. Are you saying Mbin users can see who upvotes/downvotes?

Votes aren’t private on the fediverse, it’s just a that some interfaces won’t display them. Also, instance admins can see who voted too.

But like @Boozilla@lemmy.world said

Don’t bother yourself over it. That way lies madness.

It mainly useful for admins to detect if there is some vote manipulation going on.

The guy who wants their AI girlfriend yesterday.

There are some hardcore “copyright shouldn’t exist” folks out there.

Sam Altman lurking around…

To steel man the downvoters, maybe there are other solutions besides killing off every business that can’t afford to comply with copyright. After all, isn’t the whole point of copyright to enable the capitalist exploitation of information?

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