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Can someone show me on a map where “the west” starts?

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Right in the middle of Berlin.

(This information may be 30 years out of date)

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A western colony primarily made of western settlers and completely aligned with imperial core countries is western.

It’s a political term rather than geographic. Same reason why Australia isn’t part of the Global South despite being in the south, because it’s controlled by colonizers.

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Is it Israel that is completely aligned with these “core” countries because I see them as a terrorist state and I sit firmly in the west.

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The most significant western governments still finance Israel’s existence, that doesn’t mean every single western person or even country gets along with Israel

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Israel, along with most western countries, have been bombing (or building bombs) the Middle east and North Africa for decades now.

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It’s less a geographical or hemispheric distinction, and more a political one.

This page on imperial core is good.

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Should Greece really be on that list? The only criterion where it’s not grayed out is “Awarded Parts of China to Japan”, which actually means “signed the Treaty of Versailles after WWI”. And unlike many of the other countries that signed it, Greece did not get anything to itself from it.

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Agree, especially considering how much the EU has screwed over Greece in recent years. Not really an exploiter of global south labor via finance capital, which the US, GB, France, Germany, and the Nordic countries, definitely are.

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Technically, Australian’s aren’t colonisers; they’re victims of British colonisation.

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Aboriginals are the victims

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It’s the big blob of central capitalism from when colonialism started to now. It’s where the genocidal whites live, hence why Israel plays in the European soccer league.

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I’m not feeling too genocidal at the moment and I’m not too sure what a big blob of capitalism looks like but it sounds like you are impugning me (int al) in some way.

If you are going to deliver a stinging attack on something you dislike, why not deploy an impassioned and pithy argument rather than … that. You do at least manage to spell it’s correctly, which is nice.

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Next time you aren’t sure whether someone is being hostile or mean to you, just hold back on what your hypothetical response would be until you’re sure what the intent was.

In my case I was earnestly answering the question. “The West” describes that continuation of institutional power which I described as a blob.

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Ah, so even though they’re (trying to) occupy the exact same plot of land, Israel is “the west” (and therefore we’re obligated to hate it) and Palestine is not (and therefore we’re not). That makes sense now!

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None of that makes sense. You don’t have the writing chops to pull off a sentence with three clauses and three additional parenthetical clauses.

We’re obligated to hate Israel and not Palestine because Israel is the settler colonial project currently engaged in genocide. It’s very simple and no one has been opaque about it.

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even though they’re (trying to) occupy the exact same plot of land

Explaining to my Cherokee friends that, really, you’re no better than the European settlers who displaced you because you both wanted to live in Florida. Suddenly, they’re not my friends anymore. Can’t believe they were anti-white racists the whole time.

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the west is not really a geographic term, and its not really well defined either it has 3 main uses:

most commonly: the west: as in western europe and their settlers colonial offshoots (excluding Spanish and Portuguese ones but including the Spanish and Portuguese themselves)

most uselessly and confusing: the west: as in the global north (also not geographic) in its entirety

and less commonly: the west: as in all european cultures or cultures derived from europe, so most of europe and all settler colonies

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excluding Spanish and Portuguese ones but including the Spanish and Portuguese themselves

What ?

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excluding Spanish and Portuguese colonies but including the Spanish and Portuguese people themselves i guess i should have said Spain and Portugal instead of referring to their people.

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Guess they meant “Spain and Portugal themselves”

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Ok so which of these definitions describes Israel?

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All three lol

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Essentially every country settled primarily by Europeans or their descendants, except somehow Latin America, Russia and Belarus, and, debatable, a few other European countries :D And potentially including Israel

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There was once a term used for this, first world (US and allies) second world (USSR and allies) and third world (neutral-ish nations)

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The reason latin america is excluded from the west is because 1) they don’t exploit other countries via finance capital, and 2) most of them preserve both their indigenous cultures and populations, in a way that would be intolerable to US or Israeli settlers.

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Anything NA and anything west of (including) Germany.
I dunno if I would consider CZ to the west.

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Poland is definitely The West too, honestly more than Mexico. It’s basically a code for white nations and the vassal states of white nations.

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Feels more Slavic than anything Germany (except east germany), France, Austria etc.

But that could be just my personal observation.

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Apparently the middle west

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