Yep, the vast majority of pro-Palestinian voters and Palestinians themselves have been suggesting Claudia De La Cruz, Jill Stein, and Cornel West, not Trump.
None of those candidates will get more than low single digit percentages of the vote. You can vote your conscience or vote pragmatically. Voting pragmatically means voting for Harris to prevent Trump from winning.
So practical that you’ve all totally lost your moral compass. Who would write their name under a column that has active genocide support marked off? Blows mu mind that you people act like you have some sort of practical moral high ground while actively supporting genocide (voting is an act).
I think Harris could likely change her mind on Israel. Not so for Trump, and the other candidates don’t stand a chance so why vote for them.
I’m voting both pragmatically and with my conscience by voting for Claudia De La Crúz. The Democrats can gain my vote by sanctioning Israel or taking similar measures.
What’s pragmatic about voting for a long shot candidate in a system that so heavily favors the two major parties?
All candidates propped up by Republicans to siphon votes from Harris. We have a shitty system, but the way it works is Harris or Trump or abstain because you don’t care.
I don’t have a problem with people voting for a third party as long as they admit they are good with Trump winning. It’s great to see socialists and greens showing up at the polls and voting for progressive candidates at every level. I just can’t stand the naivety of a third-party voter thinking they are going to teach Harris a thing or two.
This isn’t Bush v Gore where it was two centrist oligarchs battling it out to be more pro-business. The is President Donald J Trump Part II, this time with more fascism and executive immunity. If you lived through the first term and think, “yeah, I don’t care if that guy comes back,” then I don’t know how to even relate as a human. Harris ain’t perfect, but she must win.
All candidates propped up by Republicans to siphon votes from Harris. We have a shitty system, but the way it works is Harris or Trump or abstain because you don’t care.
Do you legitimately believe Claudia De La Crúz is propped up by Republicans? The Reps and Dems collaborated on kicking them off the ballot in some states.
I don’t have a problem with people voting for a third party as long as they admit they are good with Trump winning. It’s great to see socialists and greens showing up at the polls and voting for progressive candidates at every level. I just can’t stand the naivety of a third-party voter thinking they are going to teach Harris a thing or two.
The Dems will only ever move to regain votes they’ve lost, otherwise they go to the right like their donors want.
This isn’t Bush v Gore where it was two centrist oligarchs battling it out to be more pro-business. The is President Donald J Trump Part II, this time with more fascism and executive immunity. If you lived through the first term and think, “yeah, I don’t care if that guy comes back,” then I don’t know how to even relate as a human. Harris ain’t perfect, but she must win.
Harris and Trump are nearly identical on foreign policy, which includes genocide, and neither are good for America. If you can’t relate to me, that’s fine, genocide is a firm red line for me so I will listen to Muslim Americans and Palestinians, who are recommending candidates like Stein and Claudia De La Crúz.
“nearly identical on foreign policy”
Um, not even close. Unfortunately they range from “fine with it” to “actively support genocide” with Israel, but they’re not even in the same realm. See Ukraine and NATO for 2 counterexamples, and authoritarians have entered the chat.
Do you legitimately believe Claudia De La Crúz is propped up by Republicans? The Reps and Dems collaborated on kicking them off the ballot in some states.
The Republicans want RFK off the ballots, and the Dems want De La Cruz, Stein, and West off the ballots. I’m not maintaining a delusion that this isn’t a game. Both sides are propping up the third party candidates that hurt their opponents.
But yes, I legitimately believe Claudia De La Cruz is propped up by Republicans, because they are doing it out in the open. Look at Georgia, where the Republican Secretary of State overruled the courts and kept independent candidates on the ballot after RFK voluntarily withdrew.
I agree we need to push the Dems forward, because capitalism will always resist progress.
Harris and Trump are not anywhere close on foreign policy. Harris does support Israel, and Israel is engaged in a genocide. I’m not disputing that. But That’s the only overlap between Harris and Trump, and Trump is proactively supporting the genocide, whereas Harris at least pays lipservice to the goal of ending the violence.
I can understand why that makes it impossible for you to support Harris. I cannot understand why you are unable to see the difference between Harris and Trump. You may not like Harris’ position, but if you hate that, Trump’s position is objectively worse. Opposing both of them, refusing to take a side, refusing to cast a vote, these are all the choices that take you out of the equation. Your vote literally won’t count.
Harris is not going to change her stance on Israel before the election. After the election, she may evolve on the issue if she continues to face pressure. Maybe, maybe not. But there will be the possibility to make the argument. Right now, the Dems have decided that supporting Israel gains them more votes than it loses, and they can live with that.
And this is where the third party arguments fall off the rails. Where has Jill Stein been the last four years? De La Cruz, to her credit, has been organizing protests and fundraising, but with little actual effect. Change happens slowly, with dilligence and dedication. It requires thoughtful, strategic effort, and doesn’t happen in a single election cycle. It doesn’t happen at the highest level, in a fptp race between two people vying for the chief executive office. You have to win hearts and minds, install progressives at every level of government, convince donors that it is in their best corporate interest to oppose genocide.
The world is a horrible place, and you can be part of the solution or part of the precipitate. You make your choice and you live with the consequences. We plant the trees that will shade our grandchildren, or you can stamp your foot and pout because the trees aren’t providing shade now. But you make a choice either way. Are you helping, or not?
When you factor in first past the post voting, those options all become bad, and not because of the candidates or their position on the genocide. Great little video explaining the core of the issue:
I’m 100% aware of how FPTP works. I understand that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Harris, that means Trump is more likely to win. I also know that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Trump, that means Harris is more likely to win.
Given that I would never vote for either genocidal entity, I am not “taking away” votes for Harris. She can promise to sanction Israel or otherwise put an end to the genocide, and I would likely pivot to vote for her, as she would have fundamentally changed my single largest issue with her, despite thinking she has awful policy in general. However, this vote would be one she had earned, not regained.
