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So what they are saying is that our current financial system is too focused on short term gains to cope with short term losses?

Sigh, when I grew up, I was allways taught to save money so that I have a buffer to fall back on. This concept seems to have completely gone out the window for busniesses lately.

I dislike the talk about how capitalism is bad as a general concept, but when seeing stuff like this I do agree with it in parts.

Ok, so let’s solve the issue.

There is too much electricity, so generating power to transmit to the network will cost us money.

This has an easy solution, just don’t transmit it to the network.

Build a battery facility where you store the power instead, infact if the price of electricity is negative, use the power on the grid and charge your batteries as well, I mean, when the electricity cost is negative, you are being paid to consume power.

Then when the sun goes down, and the electricity price goes up, you sell the charge you have in the batteries.

Depending on your location you could even set up a pumped storage system, where instead of batteries getting charged, you use the cheap excess energy to pump a resarvoir full of water, and release it when you need the power.

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This is exactly what we’re gonna see on a large scale in a few years.

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I’m very hopeful for flow batteries to improve to a point where they can be very cheaply installed at scale. Seems much better environmentally than lithium ion, and the drawbacks matter less for grid storage.

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10 points

Flow battery drawbacks aren’t drawbacks for home use, let alone grid scale.

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4 points

a few years

Snowy Hydro cost overruns would like a word

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That’s really not an easy solution at all. It’s simple, conceptually, but it’s a huge series of projects. And expensive.

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Early adopters will profit the most, it’s a non-issue.

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I know that, but with long term planning its fine.

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This is generally the right idea of a solution, but it’s a difficult engineering problem.

It’s not “just an economics problem” despite the headline.

The “cost of power becoming negative” is phrased in an economic way but what it really means is the grid has too much power and that power needs to go somewhere or it will damage infrastructure.

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4 points

I know that, and to incentivice people to use the power, they pay you to do it.

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Yes but there are many solutions already to that problem.

The first one being to shutdown a few stations production when overproducing. The second one being a myriad of storage solutions that already exists and scale them.

It is an economic problem because we already have many ways to skin the cat, but it won’t produce shareholder value in the short term.

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“Economic problem” isn’t merely short form for “if we had a socialist system we could solve it with free money.” These solutions require us to dig huge amounts of minerals out of the ground and tear the earth apart in the process. And we’re already doing that at a rate exponentially larger than we ever have in history. Plus these are the same materials we need to build the batteries for EVs, so building them for grid storage competes with the EV transition.

And then you factor in the rapidly increasing electric demand we’re producing by switching over to EVs and that means the demand on the grid is even higher. The grid wasn’t built to be able to source power from everywhere so putting solar panels on everyone’s rooftops is making the situation even worse.

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15 points

Why are individuals expected to have an emergency fund yet corporations get money from the government?

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This has an easy solution, just don’t transmit it to the network.

It’s the base load providers that don’t like this. Coal and nuclear don’t like to ramp down. They can’t shut down easily and their installation keeps costing money but stops bringing in money in that period. They’ll go complain to daddy government how unfair it is.

Until batteries start replacing them by being cheaper.

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