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normally peaceful country

War in Ukraine started in 2022 when Putler invaded them for no reason. Nothing happened before that.

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What an absurdly nakedly dogshit article, even for fedipedia

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knowing history makes you a Putin bot

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This is like HOI4 when another player declares war on you for no reason at all other than “i must paint the whole map of my color”

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Alright, I’ll bite. As someone who’s somewhat ignorant of the situation, what led up to the invasion that would justify it?

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Well that depends on your interpretation of what justifies war. If you think nothing does, than obviously nothing will. I don’t think Russia is justified, but that their position is understandable. The Ukrainian military shelled Russian speaking civilians in Donbas. They also, deliberately or not, fired over the border and killed Russian citizens in Russia. They dammed a river supplying 80% of the fresh water into Crimea which had rebelled and join the Russian Federation. Ukraine was also seeking NATO membership, which would mean that anything that could have constituted an attack on Ukraine by Russian would have triggered war with all of NATO, meaning that unless Russia acted now Ukraine could have continued to kill Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity with impunity under NATO’s protection. Basically with Ukraine in NATO, the US could trivially engineer a full scale war with Russia at any time.

Parts of Ukraine are heavily populated by people of Russian decent, who speak Russian, they are discriminated against by the government and by ethnic Ukrainians. Before the invasion Ukraine had made it mandatory for all public servants to speak Ukrainian for example. The US assisted right wing militia to coup the Ukrainian government in 2014 because the president was seen as pro-Russia.

There was an ongoing civil war, drawn along ethnic lines. The US always intended to escalate this conflict as a way to hurt Russia and Putin decided to strike before he had to face a NATO protected belligerent on the border. You might not agree that this is justification, but I think it puts paid to the suggestion that the war was merely territorial aggression by an inherently militaristic government against a peaceful one.

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Great answer, I appreciate you taking the time to explain.

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Oh it’s not that it’s justified, it’s just insane to call a country “normally peaceful” when they had an illegal coup followed by a civil war for the last 7 years, mind you the current government is the result of the illegal coup and the breakaway regions supported the legitimate government.

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So, just looking over what happened on Wikipedia, it looks like there were violent protests over the leader not joining the EU. A majority of parliament removed him after a lot of chaos. That decision feels understandable given the circumstance. Parliament is elected, which feels like a more democratic decision than one guy’s choice even if you or I disagree. Is there more context I’m missing that would suggest it was a straight up coup?

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You know, I listened to this once without taking much of it in, and I’m glad you pointed it out for another watch. Thank you.

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