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yet you’re kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values

Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power. It doesn’t matter how many lit memes anarchists and communists share on social media and how much they horn on about “direct action,” this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

You want me to do some introspection? I did. I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

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They must mean that referendum we had to overturn Roe v. Wade, or the one that got us universal healthcare

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No I think they mean the 2016 Democrat primary and the subsequent election

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The time most people didn’t want trup but he still got elected because

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Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power.

Spoken like someone who’s never done organizing, participated in protests or any other direct action. You’re a keyboard warrior who’s probably never even interacted with a socialist IRL.

this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

Not a democracy and also I already gave 2 examples showing the contrary.

I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

No need to be a condescending dick. I’m also guessing I’m older than you, not that it’s relevant.

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I’ve participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

No need to be a condescending dick.

If you don’t want someone to take offense at what you write, don’t smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

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Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

Right… I’m not sure why you think I’m not in favor of organized resistance.

If you don’t want someone to take offense at what you write, don’t smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

You were doing a “both sides” between anarchists and fascists, eerily similar to Trump, while claiming to be “left leaning”. I think my response was warranted, if not understated. But frankly, that’s plain ignorant.

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I’ve participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

Protests !== organizing. Organizing achieves political change. Protest does not. Leftists know how to organize, liberals do not.

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This is unnecessary aggro, and you are the only one here making sweeping assumptions.

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Nah, the other fellow is too

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I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward.

Did you actually do any studying about socialism during this phase, or is this the “Che Guevara T-Shirt” socialism I’ve heard so much about?

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We both know it wasn’t even Che Guevara T-Shirt socialism. It was definitely “I think the nordic model is pretty cool” socialism.

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Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power

The US isn’t a democracy, you can’t build coalitions with people who want to destroy everything you stand for, direct action got George Floyd justice not votes, and the people you back turned around and decided to fund the police to record levels, it’s a war not an electoral campaign

I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

Do you know how to communicate in anything other than thought terminating clichés?

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The Democrats have significant political power how’s that working out?

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