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If I understand correctly, there’s nothing about Firefox that makes ad blockers any harder to detect. What can Firefox and uBlock do to stop Google from blocking adblock users on the site?

That said, I use Firefox and uBlock myself, and I’ve yet to see YouTube stop me from using the site.

What can Firefox and uBlock do to stop Google from blocking adblock users on the site

Not sure if you question is serious … but just in case, Mozilla is one of the few non-profit orgs that is fighting for an open web

ref. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

and uBlock Origin can literally work its magic because firefox provides the necessary APIs that allows it to work. (old ref. but AFAIK still relevant: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox)

The difference is Firefox is not a chromium based browser and thus not subject to googles fucking bullshit, esp when we come to things like web drm

Just another Firefox fan boy. They do this shit when as blockers get brought up too as if Brave, Vivaldi, etc isn’t going to strip out the ad blocker nonsense when they build their versions. Just because these versions use Chromium as a base in no way means they have to use their code. Firefox fan boys are too busy talking about Firefox to understand this.

It has always been my understanding that uBlock and uBlock Origin were two totally different extensions for ad blocking. Is this not correct? Back several year ago when ad blockers were new, I recall seeing two different Firefox listings for them, and people would caution users to get uBlock Origin and not the other truncated named one

Ublock fucked the creator who made ublock origin

I am assuming that is metaphorical?

Yes, it is metamorphical lol. Gorhill is the creator of both uBlock and uBlock Origin. However, he gave the uBlock github repo to another dev, who sold it to adblock plus. Do not download uBlock.

However, he did fork uBlock and continued to develop his own version, now named uBlock Origin. Do download uBlock Origin.

PSA: ublock.org is not related to uBlock Origin.

It doesn’t matter if YouTube can detect uBlock. The great thing about uBlock is you can just block the anti-adblock script. Since Javascript is executed on the user’s computer, it’s trivial to just tell your computer to ignore it. And moving it to server side would cost them too much money in processing power.

That’s why they want everyone to adopt their DRM, so they don’t have to worry about it.

This logic is so flawed lol. It’s also completely trivial for them to detect when their anti-adblock script has been blocked. If it gets blocked, then they can just stop serving you videos.

There are websites that already do this; it’s not theoretical. The website just doesn’t work if it detects an adblocker.

OK, show us an example. I’ve never run across a website that adblockers just didn’t work on, but maybe you know of one. Give us an example, and we’ll see if we can bypass that. Then we’ll know which of us understands how Javascript works, and which doesn’t.

Didn’t Spotify do this a while back, they made threats of account bans as well. In the end it was bypassed and you can still use Adblock in the browser or adfree clients on desktop (or just block ads across device with Adguard or Portmaster), though honestly Spotify kind of sucks in my opinion (usually doesn’t have the music I want and has UI unresponsiveness).

Ok but do they know we know they know we know they know?!

Whether or not it’s trivial to detect depends on the method used to block it. It already is an arms race, and said race will continue.

Firefox currently enjoys protection from being “relatively niche” in the browser market (aka not Chromium based trash).

But if I had to place a bet on which browser would put effort in to protecting your privacy, including which extensions are installed, my bet would be on Firefox over Chrome.

i think it’s mainly the list maintainers staying on-the-ball with changes to sites. they can move quicker than a giant corporation can develop, test, and roll-out potentially site-breaking changes that could adversely affect ‘billions’ of users.

They don’t care about Firefox. Chrome is the browser market, they have weakened extensions, they implemented DRM, and here we are.

Coming to you later… “Your browser violates YouTube’s Terms of Service.”

They’re TRYING, but for now, it would be a user agent extension matter.

Laughs in useragent switch

You could use an extension that changes your user agent but I’m not sure how well that’d work

They have control of Chrome, so they could always implement some kind of API into Chrome to check.

C-C-C-C-Conflict of interest!

Everybody thought this was OK because Chromium is open-source.

This would become an Anti trust suit I would imagine.

They can just phrase it a little differently and argue semantics in front of a bunch of 70 year olds who don’t know what a browser is in a hearing or two. Maybe a couple campaign contributions through completely legal channels and that’s that. Anti trust enforcement has been falling in the US for decades.

I am cautiously optimistic of that new gal heading the FTC, she’s preparing suits I to Amazon and Google, so we’ll see how that goes

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