Service people: “I hate when customers stiff me on a tip or leave a really lousy one.”
Me: “Ok, let’s eliminate/discourage tipping then and just factor a percentage increase into the item prices on the menu instead.”
Service people: “No way, I’ll make less money that way!”
You can’t win, man. I’ve tried to argue with them before. They get one table in a blue moon with added gratuity plus somebody who tips really well on top and they don’t want to let that go. Bartenders are especially contentious about giving up tipping because whale drunks subsidize their entire paycheck.
Essentially, they want all the upside of guilting people into leaving a bigger tip without the downside of occasionally getting somebody who decided that the price on the menu is exactly what they’re going to pay when the bill comes.
Exactly, additionally isn’t the entire appeal of tipping because you will on average attain more and higher tips by being better at your job? How can people not see that it inherently means your paycheck will fluctuate, it may be higher or even lower than last weeks.
Servers should be paid fairly, and they arent in a lot of places right now but that doesnt mean they should feel entitled to x percentage of the bill every single time.
Whale drunks, I watched a bar tender at a concert make a killing on tips because most people use a credit card and the payment process gives you only so many options, easy to click options besides no tip. 18-22% tip on top on drinks that cost 3 times more than they should. When I use cash and buy drinks you get a dollar if that from me, less than ,10% tip.
Real life example:
https://www.denverpost.com/2023/06/27/casa-bonita-hiring-jobs-no-tipping-reopening-lakewood-dining/
Backlash against going hourly ($30/hr) for servers and no tips:
https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2023/06/24/casa-bonita-employee-pay-tips-reopening
And you know what’s the worst part. It’s the owner refusing to pay him proper wages that forces this tipping culture in the first place. It’s absolutely atrocious and we shouldn’t even be responsible for making sure they get a living wage. That should always be up to the owner
If you want to protest the owner’s business model then boycott businesses that have tips. But refusing to tip at a tipped business is still giving 100℅ of your money to the owner, supporting their business, and leaving the employees out to dry. It’s not morally righteous, it’s cheap.
Downvoted for being correct I see.
For the downvoters: Any argument against this? He’s clearly right, if you patronize the restaraunt they still get paid and they still don’t have to pay the server shit. “Not tipping” that person didn’t change the culture, it didn’t even hurt the business, the business responsible for this shit to begin with, who got their money. Our only recourse is then to A) Stop eating out all together until the industry collapses and rebuilds tipless, or B) Only go to “no tip” restaraunts if there are any in your area. Any of this half-assed “well the industry needs to just change but I’m not going to do my part to help, I’m just gonna piss off servers and do nothing” bullshit won’t accomplish anything.
The owner will 100% always raise wages versus just pack up shop and go out of business entirely if forced. But not out of the goodness of their heart lol.
Yep. California pays their servers the state minimum wage of $15 an hour. They still get tips, and basically no restaurants went out of business when they “suddenly had to pay minimum wage.”
Seriously. If you ever want to reconsider your job, ask a waitress how much they make (when they’re not on the job). I was an ugly overweight nerd and still made about $30/hr averaged over the week, working as a part-time uni student. It’s some of the best short-term money someone can make without a degree or connections.
Doubt. Unless you were working at a high end place or a really high traffic place.
Best I ever hit was 12/hour, which sure. Over minimum, but not over what minimum should’ve been at the time. And for the most part it was like 9/hour. Still over minimum but previous point still stands.
Current minimum wage should be slightly under what you’re claiming you made, based on inflation and such. So to fix the tipping problem is a two point issue, raising minimum wage to reflect an appropriate wage based on inflation since inception, and then removing the minimum wage nonsense for tipped employees.
You people that keep claiming they’ll make less with this change is what helps keep this nonsense in pepertuity. It makes the employees think that the employers are the ones that are actually helping them by giving this deal. And painting the customers as the enemy.
The real enemy is corporate. Worker wages haven’t raised since Reagan, but upper management wages have gone through the roof. Because they just pay a modest amount to Congress to keep worker wages stagnant so they can reap huge profits, and then they perpetuate class nonsense like your spewing to keep the target off of their back and onto your neighbors.
My hourly pay as a waiter was nearly doubled that of my first corporate job in the same city. Granted, it was fine dining.
Still worth the switch. The job was soul crushing and the 2nd shift, underachiever drug culture wears thin. Everyone should wait tables for a year. Nobody should wait tables for 10 years.
Sounds like you were a bad waiter or at the very least worked at a slow restaurant. I worked evenings and bar tended once a week at a national chain that rhymes with Boutack working in the evenings in a college town about 25 hours a week. I said nothing else about minimum wage, etc. so I won’t respond to the rest of your comment but I’ll tell you that no one wants to keep tipping culture more than servers
