I didn’t say they should ask nicely for a peace treaty.

That is true but that does not answer the question. My opinion is that if you are pro peace you are automatically pro Russia, pro Ukraine or ideally both (I’m talking about the people and culture in it and not their leaders).

Huh? Not sure what you’re saying.

At this point? There’s probably no way he’ll end it peacefully. But peace, in my mind, means the war ending, and the only acceptable way, that will bring actual peace, is for Russia to give up or be defeated.

Wishing for peace doesn’t mean I’m asking for each side to join hands and sing kumbaya.

It’s not our job to negotiate but the problem really is that nobody even wants to negotiate.

But in a war you will negotiate and if that’s before everybody clubs their heads in or after that.

But what happened after the day the Russians attacked: Immediately everybody was completely polarized by the media: Either you’re pro NATO (or pro Ukraine but at this point it’s more or less the same) or pro Russia.

But the gentleman woman or whatever their gender is, that you replied as well as me and many others don’t want politics centered on war against Russia, why not peace for Ukraine because, or course Russia’s invasion is not justified from the NATO expansions, but if we club our heads in in Ukraine, what will to the people there and in small parts in Russia? They loose their family their own life and as well as their homes and (some aspects of their) culture.

War is always bad and I see your point that Putin is a war mongoring asshole, but give peace a chance. 🕊️

Well you start by skinning the toes and feet, and work your way up the legs.

I don’t see it as tough. Wishing for peace doesn’t mean I want Ukraine to surrender.

I want Ukraine to beat back Russia and the war to end. That’s a wish for peace.

From the rest of the world’s point of view, Ukraine had already accepted it’s loss in 2014.

It was only when Russia went “well we’ll have the rest of the country as well then!” that all the other countries decided to help out. Because Europe’s been here before. Nobody stops after just one country. It’s like Jaffa Cakes. You just keep going until there’s none left.

“Guys, give up and get yourselves colonized, we’re mildly inconvenienced!”

Peace in our time!

not sure why you are facepalming, I live in a neighboring country to Ukraine and a lot of people here according to polls think that Ukraine should just give up Crimea and accept peace.

That’s the frying pan saying “at least I’m not as bad as the fire!”

Of course I can. This isn’t some dumbed down video game on rails where you get one treaty from however many years ago and that’s it.

There’s happened a shitload since then, most of it to detriment of the ones that demanded territorial concessions at the start of the war.

If anything, you can’t be pro the regular people of Ukraine who are needlessly being shelled if you’re not pro negotiation of a better peace treaty.

"Oh, the Ukrainians wanted to be closer to the more prosperous and democratic West instead of being with us perpetually mopey, subservient-to-dictators Russians?! How dare the Ukrainians decide for their own sovereignty! We should punish and genocide them for exercising their own autonomy! Us Russians know what is better for our little brothers! We’re totally not insecure gits who long for the good old days of having a powerful empire! The only ones to blame for Russia’s loss of prestige and embarrassing military losses are the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians put this upon themselves!

–totally not a bot larping as W*sterner

The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.

The translator detected it as Ukrainian, not my fault I don’t speak either language, contrary to your childish insinuations 🤷

How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.

I agree that it said a lot that I just calmy corrected you while lightly mocking your tough guy act rather than let your nonsense bother me.

The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich cunts here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.

You know that’s exactly what pro-Russian Ukrainians who are ACTUALLY cheering for Putin’s war say, right?

Neither you, nor the victims of war nor the perpetrators of war get to decide what I think about war. That’s not how ideology works.