GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said Friday he would deport the children of undocumented immigrants with their families, despite them already being U.S. citizens.

“There are legally contested questions under the 14th Amendment of whether the child of an illegal immigrant is indeed a child who enjoys birthright citizenship or not,” Ramaswamy said after a town hall in Iowa.

Ramaswamy is not the only GOP candidate to question U.S. citizenship rules. Former President Trump announced in late May that on his first day back in office, he would seek to end birthright citizenship by way of an executive order.

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Technically only a single order of magnitude in terms of total births (3% vs 0.1%). Up to Americans to determine whether 3% of all births is worth worrying about though.

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It’s not worrying, only racists are upset about this. A growing, working, tax-paying population is only good for a nation. Almost every single one of those 110k a year will spend 5-7 decades contributing to the American economy and workforce, that’s a plus in my book regardless of how they got here.

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What’s interesting is back in the day Republicans supported this. Milton Friedman, Reagan’s infamous economic advisor, advocated for open borders. It’s essentially what we had in the 1800s. Chicago was 80% immigrant or child of immigrant in 1880s.

Hell, Reagan even gave amnesty to millions of illegals.

I think we should have more or less open borders. Block criminals and extremists… but everyone else let them in. Give them a trial period of like 5 to 10 years. If they pay taxes during that time period and don’t commit serious crimes… let them join the country.

We’re gonna need the population to compete with China. There’s plenty of space in this country for many more people. And more people = more demand for goods and services = more jobs = more opportunities = more GDP

I really don’t see many good reasons why not. Sure, the price of labor will go down but illegals are already doing much of the menial labor already anyways.

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Sure, the price of labor will go down

That’s a pretty big problem to gloss over when the country is still fighting for a living wage for the lowest earners.

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Technically only a single order of magnitude in terms of total births (3% vs 0.1%).

It goes by factors of 10

So it would be a bit over 3 orders of magnitude above Canada.

With that said, it doesn’t matter anyway because it would require a constitutional amendment to change, which is nigh on impossible in today’s political climate on any topic.

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That’s actually not how orders of magnitude work, the definition is a change by a factor of 10, which means that if a number is n orders of magnitude larger than another it’s 10^n times larger. 2 orders of magnitude = 100 times larger, 3 orders of magnitude is 1000 times larger, etc.

The exact order of magnitude of a ratio is log base 10. So log10(3/0.1)=1.4771 orders of magnitude.

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3 orders of magnitude greater is 10 × 10 × 10 = 1000x larger… which refers to 100~999% compared to 0.1%.

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