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Under communism, the state owns the resources. People are not the state.

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That’s false. There’s no state in communism. See Karl Marx or any Communist writer on this.

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Karl Marc is like Marx, but without that dictatorship of the proletariat cope.

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There’s no utopian vision advocated for by Communist philosophers. They talk exactly about how this would come through. So yes, they speak about it as an achievable and feasible thing.

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There’s no utopian vision advocated for by Communist philosophers. They talk exactly about how this would come through. So yes, they speak about it as an achievable and feasible thing.

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This is a pleasant fiction.

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You’ve gotta try reading beyond 6th grade level fiction before judging books on socio-economics.

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You are maybe confusing communism for socialism. Communism is stateless by definition. Socialism is the phase of development before communism is achieved in which the people indirectly own the means of production through the state.

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My our mistake

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You would be sent to the Gulags in the CCCP for talking like that

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You’re mistaken, the state is a collection of proletariat meaning you are a part of the state. You may not be the whole state but it is your land as it is everyone elses

Atleast as far as I understand it

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Thank you for the correction sharkfucker420

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Always happy to help 👍

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I’ve heard same said about liberal democracy too. “State is made up of us voting citizens” etc etc. Feels as hollow

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The difference is that liberal democracy is underpinned on the idea that being able to elect a bourgeoise representative is all you need to be fully involved, whereas a socialist system must recognize that collective ownership of a state by the people requires the people have power over everything that happens in that state, law, economics, religion, war, everything. Socialist states exist with this as an ideal and only walk back from this goal with good cause, as opposed to starting with nothing, adding the opportunity to choose bourgeoise representation out of a small pool every once in a while, and calling it good.

e: added text in italics for clarity

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The difference is that liberal democracy actually respects individuality

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If everyone owns something no one does

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How much do you and the average person actually own under capitalism

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Just because it sounds cool, it doesnt make it real yk. 😅

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5 points

Did you just watch a Brad Bird movie

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Are these people even Leftist? Christ.

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