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“Israel has a right to self-defence, but it has to be done within international law … cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting food to a mass of civilian people is against international law,” said EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell on Tuesday (10 October).

He repeated the view more than once in his press briefing. “The Palestinian people are also suffering,” he added.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. This cycle of violence and repression needs to stop.

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85 points

It’s not an eye for an eye though. Israeli atrocities over the decades dwarf what has been inflicted upon them by Palestine and Hamas.

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20 points

You go far back in history enough and we can be here all day over who is guiltier

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28 points

In this case you don’t need to go back “in history.”

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19 points

By this logic, history doesn’t exist and nothing that happened yesterday should matter today.

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Do we get to go back far enough to the part where israel admitted to funding hamas in 2019?

You guys know this isnt a conspiracy, right? Israeli politicians flat out said this in interviews?

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11 points

Holy hand-waving-atrocities Batman

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4 points

Welcome to the human condition. Justice isn’t real, but that doesn’t mean we can abandon it. It’s impossible to undo the damage of the past, but if you turn a blind eye to it then nobody will follow you into the future.

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It’s not an eye-for-an-eye because we shouldn’t consider targetting civilians an option. If you want to call militias that target civilians terrorists, be consistent regardless of what uniform they are wearing.

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This is the only take that actually matters. If Ukraine responded to Russia by bombing villages and shooting civilians, they would not have such near-worldwide support. If Israel wants to truly be better than “savages” then they need to act like it.

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-12 points

So it an eye for an eye from Palestinian side and should be stopped!

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7 points

Would be better to discuss this in terms grounded in reality rather than papering over idioms with clever gotchas.

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12 points

That’s the point. The game is to be the last man standing with at least partial vision.

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-8 points

It is a pretty clown face move to attach those that supply your water, electricity and fuel.

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7 points

That’s slave mentality, dude

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25 points

The Final Solution, eh?

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By that logic, the other way this ends is the dissolution of israel.

They cant seem to stop themselves from murdering and pillaging their neighbors, right? So they have to go. Right? Thats matching your logic just fine.

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There’s another possibility.

Lebanon gets involved. Then Iran. Then the US. Then Iraq. Then Afghanistan. Then Russia. On and on until it’s WW3

But no one wants to talk about that

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2 points

If the EU and the US have managed to avoid getting directly involved in Ukraine Vs Russia and starting WW3 that way, there is no way this conflict will start anything that big.

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Nobody talks about it, because it’s not realistic. This will be treated as another proxy war, with countries providing aid, but not actively fighting.

The US and Russia are already involved. Russia likely started this mess, and US is already sending munitions to its ally.

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Yes I’m sure we need to care about great power Afghanistan “getting involved” in Gaza. We should also be wary of Mongolia, and probably Lesotho as well.

Russia/Iran/US/EU are all already “involved” in with Israel. US/EU/Israel want to culturally genocide palestine and Russia/Iran want to hurt the US/EU. This isn’t ww3, and if push comes to shove none of the major players are going to start ww3 over Israel or Palestine.

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5 points

Found the Zionist

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4 points

they really could have just left them alone. It would have been exactly the same result with the Palestinians blaming those in Palestine for their issues.

instead they meddle and build illegal settlements.

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Eye for an eye is a misunderstood quote.

It actually means tolerance.

It means you can only take what was taken from you.

The Middle East has always had an issue with being barbaric. It was intent to mellow it out.

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Get this racist bullshit outta here, the middle east is literally one of the cradles of civilization and throughout its history has been a place of tolerance and learning, the barbarity overwhelmingly comes from the outside

You’re also using an example of one of the earliest law codes we know to show barbarity, fucking unreal

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The exact opposite before the law, if a family member was killed, the other tribe may go kill the whole family.

That is what eye for an eye is about. Tolerance.

Maybe you should brush up on your history. Blood feuds are still on going In the Middle East.

It’s like communism. It’s brutal for the sake of being brutal

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-35 points

Good luck stopping a millennia old feud

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56 points

Damn, 1948 was a thousand years ago? Time is weird, I guess.

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15 points

If you want to just count recent history, jews started buying land and returning to Palestine in the late 1800s. They started flooding in after some anti-semitic pogroms in the early 20th century and things have been spicy since.

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-10 points

Do you think the region of Palestine and Arabs/Jews were created in 1948?

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There have actually been plenty of periods of peace and tolerance in the middle east over the millennia. When these feuds break out people go back and dig up ancient reasons to justify them, but the feuds themselves are new and are not contiguous with those ancient ones.

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Ehhhhh…when everyone reporting on it and everyone involved all acknowledge these old reasons as the root of the issue, I’m inclined to believe them over some comment on Lemmy.

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8 points

I can say that about literally every piece of land on the planet.

So can you. You literally did, in a comment in this exact thread

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Exactly. We can say that about anywhere, and many people can claim Palestine as their ancestral home. It’s in the past and that’s over now. Sucks but my people went through it. Get every white and European off of my continent and ancestral lands and I’d be more sympathetic. P.s that’s what makes me laugh too about all this, North American kids bitching about Israel colonizing Palestine, meanwhile my native ass is sitting there wondering if they get the irony.

Israel isn’t going away, the people who think the answer is getting rid of it are delusional.

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8 points

Not a millenia old feud. A one-centure-GB-US-Iran engeneered old feud.

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Heard a lot of shit Iran’s supposed to be involved with in the region, but it’s the first time I hear them being accused of having engineered the Israel -Palestine conflict. How do you figure that? I would’ve understood accusing France for their involvement in sykes-picot, or even the Turks since the Ottomans administered the region in early 20th century. But Iran started supporting the Palestinians after the 1979 revolution, before that the Shah very much supported Israel. So I have a hard time seeing how they could be blamed for engineering the conflict.

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Haven’t read a history book I take it, if you think the fight over Palestine is a new thing. I guess you’ve also never heard of the Crusades

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Hamas can surrender and they’ll get water immediately. I don’t see why Israel has to give them anything while their soldiers get killed during the takeover

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26 points

Israel isn’t just denying Hamas water, they are denying Palestinians water. That includes children and infants and uninvolved innocents.

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22 points

Have they considered not trying to take over land that isn’t theirs?

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13 points

The children living in Gaza don’t have that option. Hopefully evacuation corridors are operational.

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4 points

Evacuation to where?

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11 points

Few people are worried about hamas. The concern is for the women and children. The people with no say in any of this. It’s not a crime to refuse to resupply an enemy, it is a crime to starve innocent people.

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Unfortunately the only right way to go about this is to completely decimate Hamas and force an unconditional surrender then occupy and reprogram Palestinians in the hope that eventually 60 years from now they are able to govern themselves as allies.

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6 points

Same rhetoric as German occupiers claiming that they would not execute civilian hostages as long as Resistance fighters would give themselves up. Sorry for the Goldwyn point but you made it a low hanging fruit.

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There’s a reason they’re fighting. If you wanna know what it is, take a look at the West Bank.

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You are talking about an area of the world that is nearly 50% children.

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