The whole situation is the result of Israel’s land theft, apartheid, suffocating blockade on Palestinians in the first place.

If i try to invade your house and take it for myself, if i make you a second class citizen and subject you to constant violence and dehumanization using disproportionate force, you have every right to shoot me in the face.

Western governments are supporting Israel because they just got over a thousand people butchered.

They’re also asking Israel to show restraint in Palestine. Even the US, Israel’s chief arm’s dealer, is telling them not to do war crimes. Is it meaningless chin music? Of course. But it’s not necessarily an “endorsement”.

If your friend sees his kid get grievously hurt, you support him. When he gets his gun, you try to talk him down. Now, the problem in this story is: you gave him that gun.

I don’t think the west is endorsing genocide.

I do think that, if it really comes to real actual genocide: They armed it.

edit: I thought that weird name looked familiar, so I figured I’d check. Why are they always vatniks?

https://lemmy.ml/comment/3437882 by https://lemmy.ca/u/yogthos@lemmy.ml

No, I don’t think Putin is draining any swamp, but I do think he runs a far more competent administration than western oligarchs.

(Side note, speaking of WWII: Remember that Soviet flag on the Reichstag picture? That’s of a Ukrainian. Taken by a Ukrainian).

And now thanks to the help from the west Ukraine is run by literal fascists. Maybe something you should reflect on.

In any case, this conversation is clearly pointless since you evidently live in an alternate reality. I’ll just let you figure things out on your own and reconcile the fantasies you’ve built up with the real world as it becomes increasingly more difficult to ignore going forward.

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blocked. Life is too short for people like this.

I’m hearing this repeated over and over, but its simply not true. CNN is covering it somewhat adequately. Go to their website.

Yes, fox are freaks. Obviously. And that is the most mainstream media. And what is happening in Gaza is a war crime. But it is willful blindness to say it is being reported in nowhere for the mainstream.

Politicians are afraid to take stances against Israel because they think their consituents are on Israel’s side. Tell them what you think, email them links they cant ignore, call them and explain you know whats up and will call them out for supporting genocide if they don’t take everything thats happened into account. It will make a difference. Its the least anyone could do. Posting on social media about your frustrations only is not enough.

I follow mainstream media all day and you’re so fucking wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about, or more likely: you’ve an agenda of your own.

My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.

They want to go out in “a blaze of glory” rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.

This is what I don’t get either. Israel’s reaction is 100% predictable. They knew their attack would result in thousands of their own people getting killed. Did they have an objective that they thought would help improve the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza?

I think the fact that they bothered to take hostages shows they must have believed they could force Israel to agree to their terms

They’re doing the Hitler strategy of taking everyone on the ship down with them, in the hope that it will inspire extremists elsewhere, and to inspire future generations to do the same because surely they are the victims here. Didn’t work out that way for Germany in the end now did it?

Also, I’m not saying that Israel is in anyway justified erasing 1.000.000 people off the map. They are also terrible.

It makes perfect sense if you read up on the history of the conflict, particularly over the last 30 years.

Palestine’s reward for trying to find a diplomatic solution has been Western-sanctioned destruction and massacre every single time. We westerners have largely ignored that their land has been taken, hospitals and infrastructure bombed, news reporters and civilians shot in cold blood, and no meaningful repercussions for any of it. They’ve even been blockaded for sixteen years.

Think of it like a smaller-scale Tet Offensive. It didn’t seem to make a ton of sense for the Vietnamese to launch an offensive against the South Vietnam and their powerful allies either.

And when you consider how unreasonable it is for 1.1 million people to evacuate in a day, remember also that these people aren’t allowed out in the first place.

It’s not for you to understand. You’re not there. You’re not suffering it, you’re not fighting it, you’re not analyzing it to save your life and your nation, you’re not planning it, you’re not preparing for your own death and ensuring it’s worth it.

Stop passing judgment based on whether you personally have the ability to figure out what specific strategy they are motivated by and start passing judgment based on the structures at play here.

Hamas made a choice. It’s time for us to either support Israel or support Palestine. Condemning Hamas to the degree that we do not render them aid means supporting Israel. Allowing Israel to fight Hamas means supporting Israel. The atrocities can be sorted out in The Hague next year.