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34 points

Treat people like animals for decades, it’s no surprise how they act. Israel is at fault for both sides deaths.

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No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. The Israeli state apparatus should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.

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30 points

“It is hard to remember that people can be both victim and perpetrator at the same time.”

We try often try to assign one group as the good guys and the other as the bad guys. It doesn’t work like that.

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5 points

God especially on the internet, can’t have any nuance about “well you’re right, but that doesn’t mean personal responsibility just ceases to exist” it’s just “You’re as extreme as me or you’re on the other side

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8 points

Palestine isn’t Hamas. Hamas doesn’t represent all of Palestine

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It does however represent the group that killed 1000+ people, mostly civilians, with no clear goal beyond their stated desire for Jewish extinction and radical islamic Sharia law to be spread as far as possible.

Palestine in general being a victim doesn’t automatically make Hamas the good guys or their specific actions acceptable.

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2 points

Right, but more than one thing can be true at once.

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1 point

Yes, because Palestinians are toddlers and have no agency or responsibility for their actions. So patronizing.

They’re adults. They’re responsible for what they did.

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2 points

And what did Palestine do to get the wrath of Israel?

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There’s been an unbroken streak of violence since 1948, when the Arab states refused to allow the partition and began an offensive war. This has been followed by other military attempts by the Arabs, supported by the Palestinians, until they finally lost decisively in the 1970s. That has been followed by five decades of intermittent terrorism and organized attacks.

I get wanting to criticize Israel. Their policies have been dog shit in many areas… but intentionally attacking civilians is something which Israel doesn’t need to tolerate.

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-39 points

Get yourself a lesson in History and don’t just repeat the old antisemitic bullshit story.

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The human cost of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (deaths/injuries) documented by the UN:

2008:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,202
Israel 🇮🇱 : 853

2009:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 7,460
Israel 🇮🇱 : 123

2010:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 1,659
Israel 🇮🇱 : 185

2011:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,260
Israel 🇮🇱 : 136

2012:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,936
Israel 🇮🇱 : 578

2013:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,031
Israel 🇮🇱 : 157

2014 :
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 19,860
Israel 🇮🇱 : 2,796

2015 :
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 14,813
Israel 🇮🇱 : 339

2016:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,572
Israel 🇮🇱 : 222

2017:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 8,526
Israel 🇮🇱 : 174

2018:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 31,558
Israel 🇮🇱 : 130

2019:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 15,628
Israel 🇮🇱 : 133

2020:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,781
Israel 🇮🇱 : 61

Source: Géopolia

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5 points

Seems like a fair and balanced fight

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-28 points

Are these numbers civilian or combatant’s deaths/injuries? What was the background? Who attacked, who defended itself?

You know, numbers without context are nothing more than numbers.

As I said already, get some lessons in History.

KTHXBYE

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16 points

Jfc the irony in your comment

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7 points

Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism. I missed the part in the Torah that says “start an apartheid ethnostate and brutalize your neighbors”.

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