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A UBI program was implemented in a part of Ontario to study it’s impact.

Results showed that people were able to cover their basic essential needs and the vast majority were able to improve their career by finally being able to spend time getting training for better job opportunities and improve their living conditions as a whole. It also allowed them to get certain healthcare services that aren’t covered by OHIP like dental care.

Sources:

https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/full/10.3138/cpp.37.3.283

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200624-canadas-forgotten-universal-basic-income-experiment

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It also allowed them to get certain healthcare services that aren’t covered by OHIP like dental care.

That sounds like a good reason to expand OHIP, which doesn’t require a UBI.

As for the rest, I wonder to what extent it went that way because the participants knew it was a short term experiment. Pensioners are not the epitome of productivity.

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Why are you playing devil’s advocate? Are you opposed to giving everyone an equal opportunity in life?

Have you even read the links I provided to you? At least read the article?

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Playing devil’s advocate is important for understanding both nuance and thinking dialetically.

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I have followed the UBI subject for the past ten or fifteen years. I used to be an advocate for it. It was precisely through reading and thinking about it that I started to question whether it really was a better alternative to our current welfare programs.

It stands to reason that if extending OAS to people over 60yo would lead to more people retiring early and stop contributing significantly to our tax base, then a UBI which essentially means extending OAS to every adult would have a similar effect, only multiplied. And with fewer workers, how do we pay for UBI and everything else?

I’m sure there’s plenty of room for improvement to our existing welfare programs, but that doesn’t automatically mean extending them to every healthy person is the only solution or the best one.

Are you opposed to giving everyone an equal opportunity in life?

Giving everybody a good opportunity in life doesn’t mean a UBI, and a UBI doesn’t mean giving everybody a good opportunity either. It’s a false dichotomy.

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How many times do you need to see the evidence? You just hand wave it away and demand more proof.

Fuck off if you aren’t here to have a real discussion.

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