Comment by PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works on Modder converts entire Fallout New Vegas map to Fallout 4's engine

New Vegas had one of the best settings in the 3D games but the gunplay in Fallout 4 was much better. Hopefully there is a full conversion of this.

I never understood the recurring argument that gunplay in Fallout 4 is better than 3. 3 and NV are built around VATS while gunplay is an afterthought, and 4 turned that around. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

Oh I never thought of it that way.

VATS was a terrible integration of the aiming system of rhe early Fallout games.

Fallout 3 implemented VATS because Bethesda didn’t know how to incorporate guns well to the game, this was self admitted. Bethesda had proven they couldn’t handle the IP in a lot of ways this one just one of many.

New Vegas isn’t focused around VATS. They actually disliked the system and designed gunplay to be better than Fallout 3. You can actually ads in New Vegas.

because intent isnt relevant to a product that sells based on how well it keeps you engaged in practice

I’ve never used VATS, and I’ve beaten 3, NV, and I’m almost done with 4. I don’t care for it, so I raw dog the shooting instead. Works fine. Maybe headshots are harder on console.

Ah, console, that might make sense. I never had any trouble with aiming in 3 or NC, either. I rarely even considered using VATS.

Fallout 3 used RPG mechanics that caused weapon spread based on character stats, so unless you put points into gun skills you’re going to have a hard time by design.

I’ve beaten all three modern games on console both VATS and free aim. Fallout 4 has by far the best shooter mechanics, it’s what ID software does. Iron sites in Vegas certianly helped as an FPS, but it also removed the RPG gun spread and replaced it with requirements to use the various weapons. This made your ability with guns binary, you could either use it or you couldn’t. In 3 it was a progression.

In the end, I guess it just comes down to taste and what you are looking for in the game. Its Bethesda so you know there is going to be jank. The shitty collision objects in 3 were always far more a problem for me than the weapon mechanics.

Having said all that, I’ve been watching the development of this mod for a long time and wish I had a PC to play it on.

The reliance on vats is a problem. It should be a tool, not a solution.

That’s just an opinion, not an objective truth. Fact is, VATS was implemented in 3 and NV because it’s a Fallout staple and basically was the core combat mechanic in 1 and 2. In my opinion VATS is one of the many things that made 3 and NV better than the more recent iterations

Aiming was not a core mechanic in the first two Fallouts. It’s actually an underused mechanic because one of the best traits disables it. VATS lasily tries to combine the aiming system and the turn based mode of the originals and fails. Fallout 4 did VATS better.

Bethesda admitted VATS was included because they couldn’t get a hang of guns in thier engine.

New Vegas devs disliked the implementing of VATS and improved the gun play in several ways.

Fallout 4 did VATS better.

Again, just another opinion formulated as if it is fact. To me VATS was not usable in 4 but 3 and NV did it perfectly

New Vegas did VATS perfectly by recommending not using it?

I dunno if it wasn’t usable I just never used it. If I can aim I’m going to aim, I didn’t use it in nv either because they actually made aiming a worthwhile thing to do.

Underused Tell that to Horrigan, after all the groin shots (and punches) I’ve given him across my playthroughs.

Fair, it is just an opinion and not fact as you say. It’s just when I’ve watched anyone play its always been VATS - run around while ap replenish, VATS again. Until all enemies are dead, if it wasn’t an overwhelming majority of the way people I’ve personally observed play, my opinion would be different.

Arguably, while it would have been a lot harder to do, they might have tried slapping it on Starfield’s game engine simply because the gunplay is so much fucking better than Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4.

It’s one of the few saving graces of the game, the combat doesn’t totally suck.

Better yet just mod it into starfield as a planet lmao. New mission something about investigating a world where the colonies nuked each other. Arrive at the world and get shot in the head by Benny. Cue F:NV in starfield.

I believe you meant “cue”, no “queue”. Why would you stand in line before playing the game?

Yeah you’re right. Changed it although I would wait in line to play a game if it was good lol.

Maybe they’re British.

Thanks iD software for that.

Honestly the new Fallout should be given to Obsidian and iD. Bring Chris Avellone in freelance and let Bethesda work on thier GAAS Elder Scrolls 6.

I hope something comes out of this other than a cease and desist order or worse a lawsuit.

You seem to have confused Bethesda for Nintendo. There is no reason to even have the thought you had and decided to comment.

He had a more valid reason to post his comment than you did for the tone of yours.

Has Bethesda ever C&D’d a mod? This isn’t even the first conversion of one Bethesda game from one Bethesday engine to another.

EDIT Happy Bethesday, everyone!

They’ve allowed the Skywind and Skyblivion projects to continue, under the assumption you’ll need to own the previous games in order to run the mod.

I thought both of those projects were explicitly not using files and models from the original games, but were instead recreating the content.

A lot of total asset replacement mods and ports require some form of check against a legitimate copy, such that they aren’t distributing copies of a game, just a way for people to modify their own copy. It isn’t a flawless legal defense, far from it, but it’s a whole lot better than just getting hit with “you’re just outright distributing a copy of someone else’s game”

They are but I heard they have to do a check to make sure you have them in your library or something. It’s been a couple of years and I’m pulling from memory.

Yeah, something like Enderal is similar in this respect, it doesn’t use any assets from the original game as far as I’m aware but you still need Skyrim installed to run it.

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