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63 points

Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.

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I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it’s not Windows 7

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Well it was replacing the tile-silliness of Windows 8, any OS that booted would receive some goodwill in comparison

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I wouldn’t count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model ends up true, it will be recieved far worse than 11 did.

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I thought it was a little far-fetched as well, but there was a post I believe it was here a few weeks back of people that were running the windows 12 beta snooping around the code and seeing references to subscription classification and typing

This is a PC mag article that refers to it. it doesn’t go in as depth as the other post did

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Subscription to remove the ads! lol

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There’s been articles saying that’s disproven and it’s so far out I don’t get why people are even talking about it at all yet really.

Editing to add the following link:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/

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This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.

The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.

In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.

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I feel like I will have to revisit this comment in a few years with ‘aged like fine milk’… Hope I am wrong.

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failed 11

By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?

Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.

We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.

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Have any of the other relases had a hardware requirement that even 3 year old PCs don’t meet? I just built my PC in 2020 and win11 is telling me I can’t upgrade because of my basically new hardware…

My bet is on many many people simply can’t upgrade.

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Just about anything from 2018 or newer meets the hardware requirements, but at time of release (October 2021) that was just over 3 years. Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8000 are the initial entry level.l that meet the requirements.

Unless you used 2+ year old parts for you build, you just need to go into UEFI/BIOS and enable the firmware TPM (fTPM) or perform the BIOS update that switches that to being on by default.

I’d recommend the latter since you are likely to also gain stability and/or security improvements going that route.

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before 10, on 8.1 everyone was the same with 10, that it will be the next Vista, by the same logic that XP was OK, Vista was NOK, 7 was OK, 8 was shit, 8.1 was OK…

don’t forget, for several years, 10 was unuseable and lots of people - including me was not willing to use it.

for a few years, 11 will be the devil but soonly enough the migration will happen - it has to, if someone needs Windows…

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10 became usable when they walked back most feature changes and made it closer to 7. I had completed blocked out the awful start menu at 10 launch.

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the start menu on Windows 10 is still unusable to me, so I end up just searching. sometimes it doesn’t even find a match when I type the exact name of the app I’m trying to launch. it’s computer software that can’t search text. I think it’s really good though and I hope that Microsoft makes a lot of money forcing people to buy new computers with Windows licenses attached to them. isn’t Jesus wonderful? God works in mysterious ways. I believe he has a plan for all of us. I’m taking a shit

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I actually like 11 compared to 10 (so far as I like Windows in the first place - I only use it on my work-provided computer, Linux everywhere else). People rightly complain about the advertising and tracking for why they won’t upgrade but doesn’t 10 have that too?

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I still have windows 10 on my work computer which is the only windows device I have, and it is riddled with advertisements, especially the start menu

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