Comment by JoeHill@lemmy.world on This is fine.

“I’m mad that my side can’t dog whistle for genocide”

You know that this phrase means the end of illegal occupation, right?

It means different things to different people. There are definitely a few that use it with a genocidal intent. But as you said that he’s not it’s de facto or historical meaning. It has a much longer history than the last few months. Most people complaining about it only just learned of it. And have no idea about its history or what it actually tends to mean.

It has a much longer history than the last few months Like the HAMAS

Hamas didn’t exist until 20 years after the illegal occupation started.

and the HAMAS is 36 years old. By the way when my country was occupied, the embryos of what would become our main resistance didn’t wait 20 years to begin resisting… more like 20 minutes. So to me that sound like a serious blow to the “HAMAS is Palestinian Resistance”

Way to misconstrue what I said, but ok.

It’s both. If it didn’t have a plausible legitimate use, it wouldn’t work as a dog whistle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/politics/river-to-the-sea-israel-gaza-palestinians.html

Everybody has bad actors, and they serve to complicate what oughtn’t be complicated, including language.

Don’t mind them. They probably felt uncomfortable hearing “Black Lives Matter” too. Saying it’s a call for genocide for white people.

I saw a sign from a protest says, “I thought you said all lives matter.”

Yes, and the end of those “illegal occupiers” too.

Both sides want to genocide each other, it’s just that Israel is more powerful and Palestine is the underdog

it’s just that Israel is more powerful

Yeah I still give more credit to Tsahal for convincing us of that than really achieving it

Israel is definitely more powerful than Palestine

Technically probably, but if they are very VERY bad at using it are they really that powerful. Because they are bad at using their power, hence the shitton of civilian casualty

You think they weren’t objectives?

Is Kibbutz Be’eri on occupied land?

Is Tel Aviv on occupied land?

Is Haifa on occupied land?

That’s our Holy City since you kicked us out of Shiraz and Baghdad.

What the heck @guriinii, stop kicking them out of Shiraz and Baghdad!

In other words, “Death to Israel!!!”

Edit: in before “No no. You have to understand that ‘Death to Israel’ is an aspirational call for peace”

So we’re Indians wanting to get rid of the British Raj all genocidal maniacs?

Not a great comparison as Brits have Britain to live in already (I’m British, if it matters).

If you displaced the Brits from India back in the day, they could return to Britain.

If you displace the Jews from Israel now, where could they go?

The people can stay. The borders and government must be dissolved.

I think Jews and Palestinians both need a place where they can feel safe from anyone trying to kill them off since it’s something one group has already been through and the other group is going through right now and both are at risk from it happening again in the future. This means they either need to give one group a new homeland, which, at this point, would be ethnic cleansing of either group, or find a way for them to share one homeland safely. No ethnic cleansing should be allowed and future ethnic cleansing should be prevented to the best of the international community’s ability.

Personally, I would prefer UN administration of the region until something equitable for both Jews and Palestinians can be resolved.

And the people that stay will be slaughtered.

Yes and what guarantees for the Israeli. Various palestinian factions have been commiting massacre and pogroms since the 1930’s where they had a german-sized nazi movement.

The government is what guaranty people’s right and safety.

This is exactly why the Palestinian state exist and Arafat refused to integrate into Israel

That’s a leap. It means an end to the illegal occupation, apartheid, and Zionism. Give the land back to the indigenous people. I’ve seen talks of the establishment of a secular state where all can be free, which is the ideal here. Not the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians

Give the land back to the indigenous people.

That’s easy to say, but means nothing until you define who the “indigenous people” are, which is an extremely fraught topic in this particular case.

Give the land back to the indigenous people

Oh my sweet, sweet summer child. That’s a statement both sides agree on, but not in the way you think

Jews are the indigenous people, Muslim Arabs came later.

Right…

You just called for the destruction of Israel. You just said Tel Aviv, which was built on land purchased from the Bedouin, is on occupied land.

You just said that Be’eri is on occupied land. Since it’s on occupied land, then Hamas’ murder of 100 people is justified in your mind.

Palestinian policemen massacred non-Zionist Jews in Hebron in 1929. The government of Gaza massacred left-wing Jews in Be’eri in 2023. And you sit here and talk binational bullshit fantasies.

From the river to the sea, you want it to be Judenfrei.

The Baha’i will not surrender Haifa. That’s our Holy City since you kicked us out of Shiraz and Baghdad. We’ve been there since the Arabs put us there in 1890.

Edit: sorry Lemmy replied to the wrong comment.

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