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I guess my proposal would be to repeal and replace 2a. Probably won’t happen until the silent gen and the boomers are gone.

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I strongly disagree with you, but I definitely give you credit for at least actually saying it.

Most that I’ve had this discussion with insist they don’t want to touch the second amendment and revoke the rights of law abiding gun owners… then most of their ideas both won’t solve gun violence while also stripping millions of people who’ve never broken a gun law of their rights without due process.

Guns are one issue where I strongly break with the Typical American Left™, but if you’re going to be anti-gun, I absolutely give you credit for having the wherewithal to just say what you really want.

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Well, I also said “replace.” Something that’s clearer and won’t be misinterpreted like the “well-regulated militia.”

Something that’s under control like they have in most other developed countries where you can still own a weapon in many instances, but it’s much safer and gun-related crime is way down.

I’m just, under no circumstance, willing to accept the massacres of children or other innocent people. And pretending it has nothing to do with the weapons is just disingenuous.

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And pretending it has nothing to do with the weapons is just disingenuous.

Your virtue signaling aside, I feel it’s disingenuous to pretend it does come down to the weapons.

Americans have owned millions of guns throughout its entire existence. Why all the shootings in the news now?

I guess the guns finally got serious about their mind control plot to wipe out all the humans.

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I don’t think any generation of 3/4 of the states is ratifying that.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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Some variation on this is the inevitable outcome. It’s same story as with say, universal health care. We already know the solution, we just have assholes and people stuck in the past preventing it. At some point, most of them will die off and society moves on.

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Universal health care has been on the national stage since Teddy Roosevelt in 1912. Over a century and not much to show for it.

The problem with eventually is that there’s no measure of success, since you can never be wrong, it’s just not eventually yet.

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How many countries have pulled it off? It’s laughable to think it is impossible here. Everything I’ve suggested has already been implemented elsewhere. It’s pretty logical to assume it can happen here too.

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Or you know, actually interpret the way it was written. Most “gun enthusiasts” are not part of a “well regulated militia”.

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A well stocked library, being necessary and proper for the literacy of a nation, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.

That wouldn’t limit the ownership of books to just librarians or people with library cards, it clearly applies to all people.

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What if libraries stopped existing because they were completely replaced by something else? Militias stopped existing when we created a standing army. Or, if you want to be charitable, they’ve evolved into “National Guard” who are often armed. They are also well-regulated, as the amendment requires.

Also, this analogy is shit, you can’t take someone’s life in a split second, without a thought, with a fucking book. Give me a break.

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The American/English language is awesome. We’ve got these great rules with sentence structure and grammar that makes things super easy once you learn the tricks.

A well regulated Militia**,** being necessary to the security of a free State**,** the right of the people to keep and bear Arms**,** shall not be infringed.

Little English trick for you. Remove the words between the commas and see if the sentence makes sense.
“A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed.” - Looks pretty good.
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, shall not be infringed.” - Still looks good and justifies the reason.
“A well regulated Militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” - Still looking good and provides context as to WHO the Militia is.

We put it all together and get
A well regulated Militia (which is needed for security) (made up of people with guns) is a right granted to the State.

If we add the missing comma to your initial statement before the word ‘shall’.
Yes, the way your statement is written it would contain books to libraries and would not EXPLICITY provide such protections (book ownership) to individuals. It does not limit individuals, but it does not grant them special rights either.

If “the founders” had wanted everyone to be able to buy a gun they would not have included the word Militia. They’re authorizing States the rights to form their own National Guard. Keep in mind, they are NOT saying the average person cannot have a gun. It is my belief that during these times of ‘unrest’ that they wanted at least some form of local army to defend against invasion. Folks that get training on weapon use and military tactics.

Also some food for thought, nowhere in the 2A or Constitution is the word “ammunition”. So if the government so wished, they could simply make possession of primers illegal.

Read your statement again and now it makes sense why you think what you think. It’s the comma you either left off intentionally or conveniently. Commas matter.

Edit: The 2A does not GRANT or DIMINISH an individuals’ right to arms as it never addresses the subject. It only GRANTS the right to those members of the Militia.

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Sure but we’ve proven incapable of that. Repeal it and replace it with something that cannot be misinterpreted.

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