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If the Democratic party wants my vote all they have to do is put up a candidate who isn’t onboard with ethnic cleansing and genocide. If that’s too much to ask, and they lose to Republicans, they have no one to blame but themselves.

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Whether by action or inaction, if your vote supports Trump getting elected, then you are a Trump supporter, a GOP supporter, and share a portion of the responsibility for the greater destruction and genocide that is brought about by that result.

So in fact, we all do get to blame you and others who support Trump.

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By your logic if you voted Hillary in the primary that makes you a trump supporter because your vote delivered him a candidate he can beat. You vote shamers are really reaching for insults this time around.

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Sure, that tracks. You’d have a share of responsibility for the result of that choice. But as it’s much farther removed from the actual election, it would far less responsibility than someone who voted for Jill Stein, or who wrote-in Bernie Sanders, or anyone other than Hillary in the actual eleciton though.

The sad thing is you think I’m insulting you.

I’m not.

I’m trying very hard to help you understand that you’ve been fooled into acting against your own interests. There’s no reason to take it personally or try to come up with some sort of “gotcha” to throw back at me. Especially since I actually agree with what I guess you thought was some kind of slam dunk take-down.

In fact it’s extra tragic, because not only are you fooled so thoroughly, but you’re also getting defensive about it rather than just listening to what I and others are saying and examining the consequences of that choice. You should be here for conversation, not for meaningless grandstanding and digging your feet deeper into a misunderstanding.

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FPTP sucks though.

Love, A neighbour across the pond who also has a shitty FPTP system

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Agree 100%.

I hate the system, and I genuinely sympathize with people who want to vote for their dream candidates.

I just wish they would open their eyes and understand how the system actually works, and how they are being duped by rich, powerful people into actively working against their own goals.

We can change the system by being active politically at the local level. But change will never come by voting in a dream candidate, because even if hypothetically someone like that won the presidency, they would simply be at the mercy of the legislature with zero support from either party. A third party president would be a lame duck before they even swore their inauguration oath.

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My dude, I’m here to actually have conversations, not use sophomoric quotes that are unrelated to what’s actually going on.

If you’re interested in engaging honestly, let’s do this. Otherwise…

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I agree. I’m in the same boat as you.

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Trump supporter

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