Even the catastrophic scenario means Ukraine loses lots of territory (Odessa) but is still able to stabilize the front and survive.

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I think regardless of the outcome, Ukraine will be the poorest/most exploited country in europe lol.

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Like it was before the war, except even worse?

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Moldova was worse, Ukraine was second-worse. It changed something like one month into the war and since then it’s getting worse still for almost 2 years.

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Ah, ok. I remember Ukraine being both the poorest (I think per capita) and the most corrupt prior to the war, I could easily be wrong though.

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Saddled with debt because the United States doesn’t give anything away for free.

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Maybe? I could imagine a divided Ukraine where Western Ukraine gets the Marshall Plan treatment and Russia supports development of Eastern Ukraine. Then again, maybe capital is so advanced it’s no longer capable of even that.

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Except there is no chance for Marshall plan, if anything USA is pillaging Germany and rest of EU in revrsed Marshall plan now.

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Wasn’t Marshall plan a deal to plunder European industry and not let them rebuild themselves, but rather to indent them to USA?

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if this were the 50s, they would do that. i dont think they have the political will (or brain) to do a marshall plan on western ukraine at this point.

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It’ll be the Marshall plan but in reverse: Ukraine has to rebuild the world out of it’s own pocket as thanks for all the help.

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