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One of Trump’s defense arguments for presidential immunity for any action was that if presidents didn’t have it, Bush could be prosecuted for misleading Congress about WMDs, and Obama could be prosecuted for drone strikes against civilians.

Yes please.

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One of the biggest improvements of Lemmy over reddit is that people here are willing to take an objective look at Obama instead of falling for his charisma and defending him to the death like MAGAs

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When did Obama order drone strikes against civilians?

Or is this just more hyperbole over civilian casualties occurring during military operations? Part of ongoing the effort to “both sides” the genocide Hamas committed, maybe?

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Imagine being this retarded

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Obama killed US citizens overseas by drone strike, with no trial. These were murders by the state, if you believe in due process.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/is-it-legal-for-the-u-s-to-kill-a-16-year-old-u-s-citizen-with-a-drone/

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Before we continue, do I take this to mean you’re cool with killing people who are not citizens of the US? It’s only when it’s a citizen of the US that takes a hellfire missile to the face that you have an issue with? You’re conceding that the other drone strikes are okey dokey because they didn’t involve US citizens?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/daniel-hale-drones-leaked-documents-b1891826.html

“With drone warfare, sometimes nine out of 10 people killed are innocent,” Hale said on Tuesday. “You have to kill part of your conscience to do your job.”

“I am here because I stole something that was never mine to take — precious human life,” Hale said. “I couldn’t keep living in a world in which people pretend that things weren’t happening that were. Please, your honour, forgive me for taking papers instead of human lives.”

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So you admit one of ten is not innocent and therefore a valid target. Nine civilians died when the non-civilian that was the target was hit.

Civilians were explicitly not targeted. What was said above was a lie.

Just more false equivalency between a group that actually does target civilians (Hamas) and everyone else.

What kind of person puts effort into making “both sides” arguments about actual genocide?

People are so desperate to make excuses for the genocide that Hamas committed that it’s getting kind of ridiculous, don’t you think?

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lol

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I want this so bad

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You mean we should’ve given Nixon his well deserved punishment for treason, instead of a pardon? And we might have set an example to others, and be on a very different timeline? Fuuuuuuu

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