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Yes, world’s largest car manufacturer doesn’t know what they are talking about when they talk about car manufacturing. Or they realize battery powered vehicles are only a stop gap measure that doesn’t have long term feasibility and they are jumping over that step. They were amongst the first manufacturers of hybrid vehicles and still produce most popular hybrid. But no, Toyota admits they are behind on battery “technology”. You really have to stretch logic to get that argument going.

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They have launched a fully electric car, and it absolutely sucks. It say it’s the worst in its price class, behind not only newcomers (Tesla, Rivian, BYD, etc) but even American, European and other Japanese manufacturers.

Kodak Was the biggest player in photography and invented the digital camera, look where they are now. Don’t underestimate corporate greed, infighting and short-sightedness.

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There’s one good thing about the bz4x: you can wait a bit for first year depreciation to hit, and then it looks pretty good.

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But by then the depreciation also hits Model Ys, Nissan Ariyas, Ford Mach Es, VW ID4s, Škoda Enyaqs, Hyundai Ionic 5s, etc…

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Am not, but am also not underestimating the fact they have decades worth of data on battery manufacturing, use and recycling. All of us are just talking out of our ass. Also comparing anything to Tesla and positioning Tesla as quality makes your argument significantly less impactful.

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I didn’t mention quality, don’t let your prejudices cloud your reading.

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Fallacy of appeal to authority. Toyota could be fucking up despite the points you make.

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I don’t think this is really an appeal to authority.

The assertion is, without knowledge of the future, Toyota’s predictions (based on research and expertise) is more reliable than that of some cryptobros on Lemmy.

You’re debating who’s opinion is more credible, the selection of an appropriate authority if you will.

An appeal to authority world be “smart guy says hydrogen is dead”.

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An appeal to authority world be “smart guy says hydrogen is dead”

I was keying in on OP’s statement:

Yes, world’s largest car manufacturer doesn’t know what they are talking about when they talk about car manufacturing.

With the sarcasm taken into account, the intent appears to be:

The world’s largest car manufacturer must know what they are talking about when they talk about car manufacturing.

Taken with OP’s other arguments, he clearly believes Toyota shouldn’t be questioned simply due to Toyota is the largest and most profitable car company (thus far, anyway). I’m pretty sure that’s an appeal to authority.

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Possibly. But assumption that they make good cars because they are popular is not a wrong one to make. It’s possible they are fucking up, of course. Remains to be seen.

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Kodak would like a word with you.

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Most profitable car manufacturer too.

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