a post about how many nazis remained in positions of power is made, the op is called a tankie and people defend the decision to keep nazis around

You know when you see a thread full of people excited to justify the post war nazi collaboration, and also at the same time seem to think that the US alone won WW2, and to top it off are frantically posting about the tankies… idk dude it just doesn’t feel great. I can’t believe how much nazi apologia I’ve seen creeping up the past couple years, but the past month still feels like a fever dream

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I’ve said it before but I think a lot about what leftists were doing in Germany in the 1930s because it seems like we’re going to have to experience it ourselves

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99 points

Good thing they defederated from Hexbear. Otherwise authoritarian misinformation and propaganda might have run wild on their trans friendly instance.

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74 points

Their problem with “red fash” was never the “fash” part. Do not expect any resistance to fascisn from these people

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47 points

Big air quotes around “trans friendly” when you don’t purge chasers

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84 points

“Yeah we should have just killed every German! That would show those dumb Nazis!”

Damn if only there was a middle ground between execution and funneling Nazi elite into your highest echelons of power

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59 points

Liberals claim to love compromise, yet they reject the middle ground of “only execute the nazis”

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Sorry sweatie, compromise only works towards the right. I don’t make the rules, maybe harder next time.

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23 points

It’s not the epic own they seem to think it is that they hear “German” and jump straight to “Nazi”. Insecurity much?

And also there were far too many Germans that should’ve stopped breathing permanently who continued occupying positions of power.

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Everybody always wants to talk about operation paperclip (“we recruited the good nazis”) absolutely nobody ever wants to talk about operation bloodstone (haha just kidding we went out of our way to make sure we recruited all the bad nazis too, and immediately placed them in the kind of intelligence roles with unchecked power and funding, the kind of shit most governments would refuse to ever acknowledge could even exist)

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78 points

The morons in the comments who think the US was the deciding factor in WW2 are hardly better

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61 points

Yup saying America’s manufacturing ability is what turned the tide.

Literally “capitalism stopped hitler”

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As everyone knows manufacturing didn’t exist in the USSR.

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Another despicable historical distortion going on in those comments is about the treaty of Versailles. American liberals like to go on about how it was so harsh that the rise of Nazism was a perfectly rational reaction. That’s not only historically highly dubious – it was much less harsh than most anything the German Empire did to the losers of its wars (see Brest-Litovsk) – but it’s also, like, only two degrees away from the stab-in-the-back myth (Dolchstoßlegende). That is to say: The Nazis liked to claim that the horrible economic state of the Republic was due to the “traitors” who gave up on WWI and signed the treaty, causing all of Germany’s economic problems (never mind the Great Depression). No one should be agreeing with the Nazis on any part of that idea.

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48 points

Has anyone done any analysis on if Weimar’s collapse could be more closely tied to losing its colonies and still trying to be a social democracy?

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That seems pretty dubious. They started their colonies 30 years before they lost WWI, I don’t think they had enough time to extract enough to make a dent compared to their home industrialization

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The colonies didn’t really matter for the economy in Germany. It did matter for concentrating capital in certain parts of the capitalist class though.

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Losing polish territories was more important in that process than the colonies. They were basically not held long enough and were only considered “prestige”.

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Yes, Greater Poland was economically significant and fairly densely populated, and Upper Silesia was one of the two most important industrial regions in Germany.

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42 points

the worst provisions of Versailles were cancelled or restructured after the crash of 29.

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And you expect us to what, admit it was the unhinged, frothingly racist, openly genocidal, openly and nakedly fascist actions of United States that directly inspired Hitler, per Hitler, not vague allusions to lengthy and complicated economic conditions and of course the perfidious French, the same French that magically stop being the gold standard for the training and organization of professional militaries for hundreds of years, right at the outbreak of the first world war?

Next you expect us to what, stop worshipping American Nazi superfans and long time friends of the pod Hitler, Walt Disney and Henry Ford?

The U.S. and U.K. not being on Germany’s side of the war was more of a fluke than anything. Most of the voting citizens in either country supported everything that was going on in Germany. Shit, 80% of the genetics in this country are German but we completely ignore that and go hard for St Patrick’s day instead.

Very similar to how all Americans were in favor of invading Iraq again in 2002, but if you go back and ask the same dipshits today magically somehow everyone was part of the resistance.

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Agreed. It had more to do with the fact that the British were categorically opposed to Germany gaining enough power to contest their colonial projects and thus not allying with them (again not out of any anti-fascist sentiment, just purely out of self-interest) and political America being more closely allied with British political interests (because they speak the same language so it is easier to do business). If IBM or any of the major capitalist firms at the time had had their way, we would have allied with Germany immediately.

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Look buddy Hitler just have really good speeches

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18 points

Deepest liberal political analysis

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7 points

But, uh, leans into mic human cheeto Hitler book

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