Third post tonight but I’m posting anyway.
Personally, I don’t see how the Palestinian resistance has any chance of winning this conflict unless Hezbollah and/or a foreign nation like Lebanon, Syria, or Egypt for instance joins in.
There’s a tendency for video game thought with things like this. The conflict doesn’t have to end in a military confrontation where the blue units kill all the red ones. Vietnam didn’t really directly beat America in the field, they won by being tenacious and sticking it out beyond the occupation’s patience.
The entity has to exterminate its opposition to ‘win’. Palestinians just have to resist until they give up. It’s kinda trite and there is a real risk that things get very bad, I won’t deny that, but only one side needs a total victory here. Any occupier who throws in the towel and goes back home, anyone who decides not to come because of the risk, any negotiation, these are all victories for a resistance movement.
And things unravel in ways we don’t anticipate. Things look impossible until they don’t.
The entity has to exterminate its opposition to ‘win’.
Isn’t that exactly what the entity is attempting to do right now? By the constant air strikes against Gaza. By blockading vital supplies like food, water, and electricity. It has been just a few days, and already over a 1000 people were killed. What is that if not an extermination campaign against the people of Gaza?
I don’t want to be a defeatist. But it seems that if the resistance can’t find a way to make that stop, things don’t look well…
For sure, they have some sort of plan. With all the planning and preparation that went into the operation, for sure they have also considered how the entity will retaliate, and prepared accordingly. But I don’t know what their plan is now. Reading through the news thread on here doesn’t make things look hopeful. Whatever the resistance is going to do now, I hope they succeed.
(Disclaimer that I’m an outsider who has to draw conclusions on limited information. Palestinian comrades, please correct me if I go the facts wrong.)
It’s bleak for sure, a lot of people are likely to die in retaliation. I am not minimizing this, but it’s been the case my entire life. And somehow in spite of intensive surveillance, a siege and indiscriminate airstrikes Palestinian capacity to fight has actually improved in this time frame.
Look at this in light of previous operations. This is by far the most successful counterattack they have ever pulled off. They are getting better.
And they have nowhere else to go. The entity would have to forcibly expel or industrially eradicate them with like, camps and gas and shit. And I don’t think the rest of the Arab world would just watch them do that. We’ve seen harsh reprisals before. That tactic isn’t working in Palestine, this operation demonstrates that conclusively.
the problem is that the very existence of palestinians is a threat to the israeli ruling ideology of zionism. ultimately, vietnam was a country half a world away from america that had very little to do with it. losing vietnam was embarrassing to the american leadership, but it didn’t call the ideological basis of their power into question.
How are the Israelis going to just go home? The U.S. was able to go home in Vietnam because it was fighting in a place that wasn’t theirs, which is a luxury the South Vietnamese didn’t have. To the Israelis, occupied Palestine is their home, albeit stolen.
I mean, Bibi is from Philadelphia. The entire point of the settler project is they are bringing people in from elsewhere. A ton of these people are Americans or Canadians etc. There are second and third generation folks now but a lot of them still have roots in the imperial core where they moved in from.
Drawn out border conflict on multiple fronts. Same way apartheid South Africa was defeated and Namibia won it’s independence.
Only realistic way that’s happening is if Hezbollah gets involved.
Lebanese government, I honestly don’t know too much about them, but I don’t think they’re going to get involved.
Egypt I heard got bombed recently just for trying to send humanitarian aid to Gaza, they just backed down, and they are too friendly to the West, they aren’t getting involved.
Syria is in a civil war.
Jordan I think is too neutral as well.
Iran and North Korea probably would kick Israel’s ass if they could but they’re too far away to do anything outside of nuking them in the case of the DPRK.
Outside of Hezbollah, it looks pretty bleak unless Palestine can successfully liberate itself.
At the very least, the Palestinians have gravely hurt the reputation of the West as a whole and are another blow to its hegemony.
Ukraine, Nigeria, Gabon and so on. The pressure is mounting and the economies of Europe are declining.
That being said, the road to freedom for the Palestinians is long and this is just one of many steps
If it all works out well, I want to hear the full story of how they did it all
In terms of some kind grand treaty and international recognition? Not anytime soon. Things are rarely so clear-cut.
However, a lot of occupiers left Israel after these attacks. Those are concrete wins because that is exactly what should be happening. Palestine has little left to lose, this is their home and they are already in concentration camps. Many Israelis have other citizenships and can go back home anytime they want. Who do you think is inclined to fight harder.
I think a better question might be can Israel ever actually win this, and the answers to that is no. Not without a genocide even worse than anything we have ever seen to date. There will always be people willing to fight against the invaders.
