Let’s look on the bright side. The people voted this way (quite significantly) so they must be seeing something positive there. I already know all the downsides so let’s discuss the upsides.

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I believe Labour has become incredibly racist. Prioritising people for healthcare on the basis of race is literally and explicitly against the Geneva Convention. The plan to grant an unelected ethnic group disproportionate control over NZ’s drinking water was so cartoonishly evil it’s hard for me to fathom. One of the most patently anti-democratic and racist things I’ve ever seen in politics in NZ.

I look forward to dismantling all race based policies, and focusing on need instead. Poor people need our help.

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Literally none of that is true though.

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Auckland surgeons must now consider ethnicity in prioritising patients for operations - some are not happy

No need to lie about it. It’s all out in the open. We can see for ourselves. If you like the policy just own it. You’re a racist and you believe healthcare should be given to people in part on the basis of race.

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Shut down by the facts yet again. You’re having a bit of a time on here lately, aren’t you?

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Racial background been a factor in health decisions for ages in certain situations. Just like age, weight, sex and smoking are. To be clear we are talking about situations where all else is equal between patients, then racial background based risk factors are included to decide who gets surgery first.

I absolute believe clinically significant factors should be a part of health decisions, regardless of what they are.

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So much doom and gloom in this thread, it’s brilliant.

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Lol you nailed it, the only benefit seems to be for assholes to go “nyah nyah” while everything gets worse over the next three years for thousands of people

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so they must be seeing something positive there

I’m not so sure about that compared to just being “not Labour”.

Labour showed this term that they’re merely interested in maintaining the status quo and that all the progressive policies in the previous term came from the Greens and NZF.

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Labour showed this term that they’re merely interested in maintaining the status quo and that all the progressive policies in the previous term came from the Greens and NZF.

So the public voted for the opposition? How does that make any sense?

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Swinging back and forth between two parties that don’t significantly change anything is the system working as intended.

Neoliberalism has created managed democracy in every wealthy country the world over. You can choose “blue neoliberals” or “red neoliberals”. One is slightly more greedy, one is slightly less greedy and together they create a careful balance that keeps them from the guillotine.

The moment anyone suggests anything outside that, they’ve got a class unity the rest of us can only dream of. They’ll throw millions of dollars and every for-profit media and sleazy marketing agency they’ve got at making sure the status quo doesn’t change.

It’s why world over you keep hearing “the slightly less greedy ones aren’t doing enough, time to give the extra greedy ones a try”.

The only way out is to vote for genuinely progressive parties, routinely dumping them as neoliberals rush to metastasise within their ranks.

Unfortunately, social media is as close as we’ve ever come to mind control and AI will only refine that further.

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I guess that’s it.

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Average price of a moldy, rat-infested house going from $1,000,000 to $5,000,000NZD.

Good for people who own property I guess, including my future self. But I want nothing to do with this corruption. Time to shop for other potential countries to be a citizen of.

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You’re not poor, you’re just an undeveloped millionaire.

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Looking forward to public services being asked to do more, but not receive any more funding. Stretching them thinner, and making them shittier.

Looking forward to a “restoration of law and order” incarcerating more people, separating families and causing more crime. While not addressing the problems that caused the crime in the first place.

Looking forward to the RBNZ being told to lower interest rates and artificially inflating property prices; making it harder for young families to buy in the communities they live and work in, and increasing the cost of living for every day people as they’re strangled by landlords.

Looking forward to dying from heatstroke in 50 years time from global warming due to increased and prolonged reliance on fossil fuels.

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All jokes aside, I’m looking forward to criminals actually facing consequences for their actions, that’s one policy Labour utterly screwed up on.

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Which criminals though.

Wage thieves? Polluters? Tax evaders? Or just the poor ones?

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You joke, but people are in favour of all criminals being punished. That’s not even a good straw man.

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This is all very well and good, but the evidence shows harsher prison sentences does little to reduce crime rates.

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Longer sentences do not function as a deterrent, that’s true. It does, however, mean offenders cannot commit violent crimes, and in general be a menace to society, from behind bars.

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making it harder for young families to buy in the communities they live and work in

Yay let’s all spend $100 a week commuting to work and back.

Looking forward to dying from heatstroke in 50 years time from global warming due to increased and prolonged reliance on fossil fuels.

National will do everything they can to sabotage cheap petrol. The Marsden Point Refinery will never function again, and National supports the Russia Sanctions Act, making sure we never buy petrol from the #2 producer in the world, meanwhile #1 producer (Saudi Arabia) increases the price. India and China will continue using diesel and oil as usual and here in NZ the yuppie elite will drive their Teslas, and using fossil fuels will be a dirty poor people thing. It’ll mostly be poor people like me who can’t buy a new $15,000 EV with 70 battery health who will be driving petrol cars 5 years from now.

I’ll be demonised for my carbon sins.

Luxon says climate change is a fact and it’s caused by us, so it’s only a matter of time before a fanatical nutjob proposes a ban on natural gas. There is nobody advocating for continued use of fossil fuel, they all want it gone, just a matter of how long.

China will continue to use the Power Of Siberia pipeline and use quantities of gas that we cannot imagine, but kiwis will be told that having a bbq is bad, and driving an LPG forklift is bad. In Christchurch we had very strong winds yesterday and within a few hours of the government alert system pinging our phones, Redditors were speculating that the Nor West wind is proof of climate change.

If people can afford the latest technologies that’s great, but I’m poor and I want to continue using fossil fuels especially when my rent is so high. What if it’s the weekend and 1 of the other 11 tenants is using the only washing machine and dryer? How do I wash my laundry if I don’t have a petrol car to drive to the laundromat? I can’t believe the greenies are going on about housing trusts and not taking about ridiculous zoning and regulations that prevent us from having a world class city. I can’t cook where I live, I can’t do my laundry. The washing machine is constantly breaking and playing up. It’ll just lock a person’s clothes and not open for 3 days. It’s a disaster. So until I have my own apartment with a bike shed and laundry, I’m probably going to need fossil fuels.

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Lol Jeff I’m a greenie and I talk about ridiculous zoning and regulations all the time. You aren’t alone or crazy for wanting to fight this fight.

You shouldn’t need a car to live in a city. That’s a symptom of decades of woeful city planning modelled on America, where car company lobbyists call the shots. Endless car-dependent urban sprawl is locking young people out of stable housing options close to where they work. “Intensification” in the world of our new CEO Mr Luxon and his landlord mates means cramming more beds into already over-crowded flats and boarding houses and building 2-story seven-figure 80m2 luxury shoeboxes, rather than building the 10-story buildings with stacks of self-contained apartments that a proper central-city needs to have.

Here’s how I would fix it:

  • relax resource consent requirements for 10-story buildings around key urban areas such as malls and inside the four aves; also relax rules on three-storey intensification projects to build self-contained semi-detached townhouses
  • encourage mixed-use buildings — ground floor is retail/food (there’s your laundromat), next one or two floors are commercial office space (there’s your job) and the next three to seven stories are self-contained one-or-two bedroom residential apartments (there’s your home with your own kitchen)
  • start doubling rates annually on undeveloped land in the central city - including gravel pit parking lots - to get some movement on finally transforming these into places for people to live and work in this city
  • deeper local government investment in social housing with targeted rates on unaffordable housing projects - ie if the project does not make some honest effort to provide ongoing affordable housing they get slapped with a special rate that goes towards funding social housing for those in need
  • adopt 15-minute city principles (no, they aren’t a globalist conspiracy) so that getting into a car is not a rewuired part of your daily routine - you can just walk/bike to the doctor, school, movies, pub, maccas, supermarket, library, etc. That also means improving cycling infrastructure and public transport availability.

Some of these are things our Green-aligned city councillors have been pushing consistently for years, and recently they’ve been having increasing success. You are welcome to come join us in this fight, we need your help.

Also, yearning for more fossil fuel investment right now is a bit like building a horse barn in 1912. Even leaving aside the environmental impact (which is massive, and real, and something we all should all be working to fix), green options are already becoming cheaper to implement, and they hugely reduce our dependence on the international oil market which is famously a controlled cartel market and not in our favour as a tiny island nation with low productivity.

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Some exceptional ideas in here, ka Pai!

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