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Great. Now batteries will cost $1500. Thanks.

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So? Buy them from some Chinese third party manufacturer.

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Proprietary battery system? Apple-branded? Does that seem so far fetched that I get down voted?

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What

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I’m not saying batteries should cost $1500. What I’m saying is that if Apple wants to make $1500 every time a battery needs to be replaced, they’ll just make the battery proprietary and ultra expensive. Think of Tesla. Does that make sense?

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People always find a way.

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2 points

Now make it so I can upgrade my RAM and SSD

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This might make that potentially easier because changing the battery could make it easier to open up the phone without doing damage to it.

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I just don’t want it soldered into my MacBook.

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This bill does not do what anyone seems to think it will regarding cellphones. As written, nearly every cellphone already being made falls within the scope of the law as already having a “user-replaceable” battery. This matters so much more for other electronics than it does cellphones.

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Hard disagree, article 38

A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it

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Did you think I didn’t read that exact section before I made this argument?

Show me where they’re out of compliance. The only leg you can stand on is thermal energy, and like it or not, you absolutely can pull screens without heat guns or hair dryers so long as you have suction cups. You can literally spend less than $30 to get all the bits, suction cups and picks needed for repairs so the tools are commercially available.

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Suction cups count as specialist tools. They are tools explicitly for removing the screen of a smartphone.

Commercially standard means things like screwdrivers that can be used for any number of circumstances. Also pretty much every single repair guide involves a hair dryer so I’m not sure what phone you’re talking about.

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Question regarding the phone thing. Am I one of the only people that doesn’t care about changing my battery or is this more a popular opinion on Lemmy/Reddit?

Edit: not asking why they’re doing it. I get that.

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If you get a new phone every few years then there’s no need to replace the battery. If you’re like me and use the same device for 6 years then you do.

I also like that I can just swap an empty battery to a full one and go from 0% -> 100% charge in about a minute.

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The battery is guaranteed to wear out. The rest of the circuitry is fairly resilient. Do you really want them to be able to force you to upgrade

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A replaceable battery is like the audio jack my current phone fortunately still has. I don’t use it often, but if I ever need it, it’s there. I don’t think I ever replaced a battery of my daily-driver phone, but more than once I’ve replaced my old phone’s battery to repurpose it after getting a new one.

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I always heard one of the main reasons for it was moisture protection. Unsealed batteries means they go bad more often from drops in water, taking them in bathrooms for showers, dropping them into dog bowls or rivers…

How much the IPA or F protection really matters… I dunno. But it makes sense on paper. I see some people discussed it below without good sauce though.

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If you change phones every 2 years or less you should have no reason to replace the battery. A lot of people keep phones for much longer (students, retired, low income etc…) and suffer with bad battery life as their phones age. While Apple does replace batteries in store or by mail for a price a lot of people don’t want to deal with that. Also Apple stores are only in larger cities so for some it could mean driving a few hours each way.

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FWIW I’m not a student, retired or low income and I expect 5+ years from my phone, or I would had I not found out my phone’s bootloader is locked 🙄.

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Also even if someone swaps phones every 2 years without ever replacing the battery it matters. Unless that phone ends up wasting away in a drawer, it’ll go into the secondary market. An easily replaceable battery in that case should not only benefit the new owner (who get a longer lifespan out of the device), but also the seller, since the used device gains value through this feature.

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The EU is consistently voting in regulations for consumer protection and Right to Repair is one of them. Apple frequently gatekeeps their tech, forcing you to buy another phone which is already among the most expensive devices on the market. This allows anyone to crack open an iPhone to change their battery when it becomes problematic which is likely to be cheaper than getting a new phone. There very few people I came across who had no battery issues with the iPhone 6. At that time, if you wanted to use an iPhone you either went back to the 5 or you just suffer through the issues. Most people stuck it out because Apple charge out the ass for making minimal changes to their phones.

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Boy how much i love EU regulations

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