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Tolkien also created complete Languages for each race of his stories.

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Sometimes I think he just liked world-building, and writing stories about his world came second.

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From reading his biography, it seemed he mostly liked creating languages and then crafted stories and worlds based off them.

Tolkien’s the GOAT.

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He was a philology teacher, so that’s indeed the case. You see it with how much details the language have, like real languages dialects and evolution. It was really his craft.

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He only wanted to create languages, for fun… but he wanted to do it properly, so he needed full cultural backgrounds for his languages, including epic poetic sagas written in said languages… and to do that properly he needed a whole history of the world said languages and cultures had developed in… so the maniac built that. And then he wrote a children’s book set in that world, for his kids, as one does.

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It’s not impossible! It’s fairly niche and finding others who appreciate it before the age of the internet would’ve been tough.

Modern Tolkien would’ve probably been part of the various conlang communities, doing challenges and whatnot.

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They are called Paracosms. He was writting languages during his teens long before he got to stories.

Middle earth is the first item on the list of examples on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracosm

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31 points

Not only the languages but also an etymology for them to explain, how they developed.

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Wish he was better at naming characters though. Not every son needs a name that starts with the same letter as his father’s.

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What, you aren’t a fan of Aenor, son of Agenor, son of Agenar, son of Agenup, son of Ageflip, son of Agintur, Slayer of B’Thal’Muun?

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B’Thal’Muun was a peacemaker!

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Tell that to my 2nd degree aunt

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Tolkien is clearly the best, but I don’t have a problem with Martin borrowing from real-life history. History is incredibly cool, and full of amazing stories. Stealing from other authors is bullshit, though.

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Tolkien is the best ever, but a lot of his stuff is inspired or ported directly from Catholicism.

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Yeah, Martin learned the “cribbed from history” trick from Tolkien

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Its good stuff. We dont know history anyway.

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There’s an idea. A fantasy for American audiences using geography from South America. They’ll never know unless you show them a map that includes opposite coasts.

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This but also various mythological bits and pieces from England, because Tolkien wanted to create an English mythology akin to the Odyssey, Edda or Niebelungen.

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Yeah. I absolutely love LotR. But read the niebelungen and certain poems from the Poetic Edda, not to mention Beowulf, and you see how heavy he was influenced by the stuff. Which is fine of course, everyone is influenced by things before them

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15 points

A lot of that Catholicism stuff is just Christianity with local gods and figures retconed in using saints expansions.

And that whole Christian thing is just a Mediterraneanised/Latinized Zoroastrianism.

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… And Zoroastrianism is just hyped up druidism. The Persians were part of that Indo-European world.

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I don’t know what drugs the Persians were into, but now I’m imagining a priestess ripping a massing bong and saying

“Okay, what if instead of alllll the trees, it’s just about one tree?.. And the tree is a dude”

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14 points

It’s all fanfiction all the way down from the original cave drawings anyway

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Then you have the author of Twilight that started world building after the first book, created a number of characters with interesting background lore, then proceeded to do nothing with any of it.

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It’s even worse than that - Twilight was originally fanfic for Anne Rice’s Vampire Chronicles series, so it’s all just Lestat with a fake mustache and sparkles.

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And 50 shades was a Twilight fanfic…

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And Interview with the Vampire was fanfic based on a cross between Blacula and the David Frost interview of Richard Nixon…

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Also, normally when you write supernatural fiction that rips off indigenous mythology, you don’t name drop the tribe that you’re taking from and proceed to integrate their real-world reservation heavily into your setting.

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Yet, somehow this would still probably be the most respectful treatment of any of the first nations by any Mormon, ever

The history of the Mormon church is like oops hahaha all war crimes I’m so silly

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It’s really hard to criticize anything about Twilight after you learn it was literally self published fan fiction written by a Mormon house wife with ten kids that has never once in her life even seen a healthy or fulfilling relationship from a distance, or had a meal containing any form of seasoning, and will almost certainly die without having ever experienced even an aliquot of sexual pleasure

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I read that series out of spite when it was popular, and actually started getting interested in the lore and world when she started introducing fucking X-Men powers. Huge build up, huge hype, and then… fucking nothing. I shouldn’t have been surprised, but alas.

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2 points

Same.

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5 points

“Damn the boy”

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