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But when we ask for help as citizens, “how are you gonna pay for it, huh?”

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This sum represents about 1.5% of the US budget in 2022.

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And yet that’s too much when it’s for anything other than war.

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You’re very welcome to look at the federal budget any time, where you’ll find that there’s quite a lot of non-war spending.

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Since it’s insignificant, would you please send me $314 to cover my share?

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Healthcare, debt relief, child povery mitigation.

unlimited genocide on US designated subhumans

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No healthcare though.

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or living wage, or affordable housing

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or infrastructure or child care or

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The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act passed in 2021 allocates $550 billion over the next five years. That’s in addition to another $650 billion that was already allocated.

I know you and I have a habit of disagreeing on essentially all things, so feel free to not respond to this, but I did want to put an actual fact out for anyone else reading and thinking that we literally don’t spend money on infrastructure while we throw tons of money at war, because that’s simply not true, even if you think the proportions are off.

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The US government only disagrees on matters which support the average citizen. Other than that, both sides are in lockstep when it comes to voting on bills…

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They already spend a ton of public dollars on health. The problem is that it goes to insurance companies, administrative staff, and the downstream health costs of inadequate early access to care.

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You’re kinda contradicting yourself.

They don’t spend public dollars on health. They give it to insurance companies and administrative staff and pharmaceutical companies and other private moneyed interests, and then there’s none left for us.

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They actually do spend a lot of public dollars on health, it’s just spent into a system that isn’t efficient. Universal access to care drives down costs significantly across the board - instead they have piecemeal coverage and a system with overall costs inflated by administrative staff hired solely to manage insurance billing and delayed treatments.

It’s an interesting area of policy where expanding coverage means lower costs overall.

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2 points

I assume that any military spending would be equally inefficient.

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how do you think it has the biggest army in the world

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This shit is going to pass with full bipartisan support and libs are still going to be confused the next time someone tells them both sides parties are the same.

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This shit is going to pass with full bipartisan support

Hell yeah

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You’re basically outright admitting that “muh both sides” is a right wing talking point.

But the fact that there are things both sides agree on does not mean both sides are the same.

It’s like saying that because Hitler and Lincoln both agree that eating shit is a terrible idea, that both republicans and Nazis are the same.

This is like extremely basic logic.

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the point is that the democrats are a right wing party, as evidenced by their ongoing funding of war at the expense of their own citizens’ well being.

this is like extremely basic logic

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You know two things can be “right wing” and still not the same, right? Both Nazis and Republicans are right wing…but you’re smart enough to realize they aren’t the same, correct?

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My mistake, I meant “both parties,” as in Democrats and Republicans.

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I knew what you meant and your edit doesn’t change the my point at all.

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The specific combination of factors in the historical formation of U.S. society—dominant “biblical” religious ideology and absence of a workers’ party—has resulted in government by a de facto single party, the party of capital. The two segments that make up this single party share the same fundamental liberalism. Both focus their attention solely on the minority who “participate” in the truncated and powerless democratic life on offer. Each has its supporters in the middle classes, since the working classes seldom vote, and has adapted its language to them. Each encapsulates a conglomerate of segmentary capitalist interests (the “lobbies”) and supporters from various “communities.”

American democracy is today the advanced model of what I call “low-intensity democracy.” It operates on the basis of a complete separation between the management of political life, grounded on the practice of electoral democracy, and the management of economic life, governed by the laws of capital accumulation. Moreover, this separation is not questioned in any substantial way, but is, rather, part of what is called the general consensus. Yet that separation eliminates all the creative potential found in political democracy. It emasculates the representative institutions (parliaments and others), which are made powerless in the face of the “market” whose dictates must be accepted.

Samir Amin, Revolution from North to South

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If the claim was that they were the same in the support of capitalism, the economic system primarily responsible for making us the juggernaut that we are, then I would have not said anything. But when it comes to social, environmental, and how to use (if at all) that generated wealth to support the less fortunate among us, they differ drastically.

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I believe that democrats should at the very least oppose genocide (rather than encourage it) if they want to be considered different from the republicans.

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Opposing genocide is apparently labelled anti-Semitic nowadays.

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Remember when Hitler and Lincoln both signed the “Don’t eat shit” Bill before one lost a war and ate shit while the other won a war and ate shit? Good thing they did, because otherwise your example would be shit.

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if agreeing on legislation doesnt make them the same, what does?

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If they agreed on all legislation, then they would be the same. You are correct and I agree.

But the poster is using agreement on one piece of legislation as evidence they are the same. Surely you are intelligent enough to see the fault in this logic.

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famously poorly armed state of Israel

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