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I’ve (thankfully) never encountered a reference to helicopter genders IRL, however I can’t seem to escape the fucking “they’re putting litter boxes in classrooms!!” myth. It’s such an utterly absurd, inane, asinine idea yet I’ve seen real people, who are seemingly functional adults, actually believe this.

Even if you buy into the conspiracy theories and think that the education system is some globalist socialist catgirl plot, do you think teenagers equipped with cell phones and social media wouldn’t meme the shit out of the classroom litterbox? And yet, we still haven’t seen a single picture proving this has ever happened anywhere. That doesn’t stop people from believing it though, and somehow using it as an excuse to delegitimize and attack trans people.

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It’s a lie spun out from a truth.

There have been issued cat litter to schools. The reason is in case of a lock down due to a school shooting the kids can urinate and defacate somewhere.

It’s incredibly sad. The gun nuts believe it’s their right to shoot up a school, but they won’t allow cat litter to be issued to the class rooms.

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26 points

Holy shit, that’s depressing. Finding out there’s a kernel of truth beneath it and that it’s this just wrecked me.

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7 points

Anything but sane gun laws, eh? Once again America, what the fuck is going on over there?

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Most Americans want a saner approach to guns. But the loud Republican minority makes the most noise.

From here

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On the contrary, there’s overwhelming evidence of this being just the case, It’s just not in the mainstream media just like how they covered up the cloning of famous wrapper Eminem per-se. I recommend you get some more reliable news sources to further your educational development.

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7 points

A troll account you should probably just ban or block judging by their comment history.

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4 points

What is it with people randomly adding “per-se” to sentences where it makes no sense?

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2 points

There’s a famous wrapper called Eminem? That’s such a coincidence as there’s also a rapper named Eminem!

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16 points

They believe it in part because transphobia is itself inherently irrational. They already carry around the hatred for no reason, so it’s not like they’re suddenly going to have standards before they believe whatever story they hear that caters to their outrage

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9 points

Because they’ve been taught Jesus will hate them if they’re gay, and if they see an attractive person that turns out to be trans, then that means they’re gay, and they’re going to hell.

…er, not that it’s rational, but that’s my best attempt at figuring out most of these people.

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12 points

and think that the education system is some globalist socialist catgirl plot

I want to believe

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8 points

I completely diffused someone who believed in the litterbox thing by laughing as hard at it as it should be laughed at and pointing out how hard republicans are getting trolled

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6 points

School officials in a county near me had to put out an official denial about the litterboxes.

https://www.courierpress.com/story/news/local/2022/09/20/evsc-addresses-rumors-of-furries-and-litter-boxes-in-local-schools/69506009007/

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I had never heard about litter boxes. Can you elaborate?

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There was a very real conversation about putting litter boxes in classrooms as a way to give kids locked in a classroom during a school shooting for hours a way to use bathroom. That got twisted by far-right pundits that kids are identifying as cats and that’s why they are putting litter boxes in classrooms. It’s just another way to attack people that “identify” as the “wrong gender”. It’s complete bullshit and anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that can use Google could figure it out, if they weren’t completely focused on denigrating anyone outside their strict interpretation of gender.

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Wikipedia has a source for the “lockdown kitty litter” concept mentioned above:

The only known official instance of cat litter being placed in school classrooms for potential use by students was in the late 2010s by the Jefferson County Public School District in Colorado, where the 1999 Columbine High School massacre took place. Some teachers were given “go buckets” that contained cat litter to be used as a toilet in an emergency lockdown situation, such as during a school shooting.[4][43][44]

Weird, but I suppose it’s sensible. Better than having kids pee themselves in an extended lockdown.

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If someone were to go about wearing a helicopter costume, hanging out with other helicopters, in short if their lived experience were such that they could reasonably say they identified as a helicopter, then I’d have no problem with it.

The world needs more weird people and less authoritarian followers.

Unfortunately most people claiming to identify as attack helicopters are actually self identifying as cunts.

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I feel like the attack helicopter crowd as you’re describing would be fucking lit. Have you seen how complicated fursuits can get?

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8 points

Be honest, you see a fly-past of a crowd of human helicopters it would make most people’s day.

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4 points

Fuck yeah it would, id probably wanna join them, flying sounds fun

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4 points

I identify as a missile jet and ill attack any helicopters I see.

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I don’t think I’ve ever met or heard of anyone literally claiming that kids are identifying as helicopters. The “I identify as an attack helicopter” thing was originally used as an absurdist critique of gender identity, not as a serious claim, if I remember correctly.

Edit: Also, there was a pretty good sci-fi short story that took the idea seriously.

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16 points

Well, they are claiming it. There is no end to the credulity of journalists who want to publish “both sides” stories about trans rights.

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7 points

Harrison says he’s seen photos online that purport to show children who have undergone these procedures. “When I saw them circulating on social media—and honestly, it’s hard to avoid them at this point—of these young, beautiful children post-surgery:

What the fuck??? He openly admitted to this? Hard to avoid? What??? So… is anyone investigating Texas state representative Brian Harrison for CSA? Because it appears they should be…

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In his defense, it is legitimately hard to avoid if you search for “trans teen cumsluts” as much as he does.

I legitimately don’t know who these people think they are fooling by doing the internet equivalent of standing on the corner and yelling “I AM NOT ATTRACTED TO SEXY FEMBOY TWINKS” unsolicited at random passers by.

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The thing is, if you view accounts from transphobes the “it’s hard to avoid” bit is not even an exaggeration. If you only follow them you can’t avoid it because it’s all they post. They post “teenage girls” (usually 18+ trans men) who have either just got out of surgery or have hypertrophic scarring (raised, sometimes discolored scars) so that the photos look as shocking as possible. They love posting pictures of trans men who haven’t been on testosterone as well, so they look as “girl like” as posible. Sometimes they post unhealed/unfinished phalloplasty photos and say they’re doing it to children. It’s just a firehose of disinformation and bigotry.

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5 points

In times of Oppression neutrality only helps the oppressor

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A person named Jamie Reed is saying that children are using words like “mushroom”, “rock”, and “helicopter” as pronouns. That’s not the same as claiming that children are identifying as those things.

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3 points

Not playing semantics here, people with he pronouns don’t ‘identify as hes’ either.

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2 points

Crazy. At one point the United States had laws against promoting bad information.

Why the fuck did we get rid of those again? Are we stupid?

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3 points

Guess who?

Oh it’s fucking Reagan again.

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4 points

And arguably May from Questionable Content.

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1 point

I haven’t read QC in a long time. What happened with May?

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It’s part of her backstory, established roughly when she shows up. She went to robot jail for trying to steal quite a lot of money. You see - she wanted to be a fighter jet.

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My friend tried to convince me that a coworker of his pulled a kid out of school because a classmate identified as a cat and all the kids were asked to communciate with the child in meows. I dropped everything and stared at him for a while. Eventually asked, “do you believe that story” and he back tracked a bit.

I mentioned the way that “kids are identifying as cat gendered” can be the cry of the antitrans movement but friend changed the subject shortly after.

Any chance to question, inquire, redefine these kinds of stories, try to take ‘em on. Especially with the people you care about that could use help seeing the other side.

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But seriously… they are using catboxes in the classroom!!!

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IIRC that was true in one school, but it wasn’t to accommodate furries or anything like that – it was to have an emergency bathroom in the event of a school shooting.

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28 points

Had somebody tell me about schools keeping litterboxes for furries, and I just looked at them and asked “Does that really sound like something that’s actually happening, or does it sound like something someone said as a joke?”

They insisted that it actually happened, and I was like, “I don’t believe that. I’m surprised you believed it.”

It wasn’t the most thorough debunking I could have come up with, but I was proud of myself that I actually called them out on it, instead of giving them a high eyebrow smile-and-nod.

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In Maine, the GOP was being led by a CONVICTED child molester who was claiming this was happening and had the Republicans rallying behind him. He was invited to speak AT A SCHOOL and had to be forcibly removed after shouting obscenities at kids

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Technically schools are keeping litterboxes in classrooms, but the reason is very different. It’s because in the event of a school shooting, kids don’t have to leave to go to the bathroom. But if people were talking about that they might start thinking about the real problems, and they can’t have that.

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4 points

I like asking them to name the school. Same thing with their claims that kids are being exposed to gay porn.

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4 points

We had the litter box rumor at a local military shipyard…

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Ask yourself if it’s something that nearly everyone would be against.

If the answer is yes, then it’s probably not true and you should do actual research to see if it is real.

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2 points

These days, if you say you’re English, you get arrested and thrown in jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI

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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://www.piped.video/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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This is probably the best way to deal with someone in these situations. No insults, no arguments, just “I thought you were smarter than that”. It might actually make them think about it rather than dismiss you out of hand.

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Obviously it sounds like the kind of thing that is happening.

For example that teacher in Canada who came to school worth enormous fake breasts.

That happened.

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I’m still pretty sure she was doing some sort of performative protest against transgender tolerance. Like “Oh, we’re going to have to accept trans women? How about if I wear enormous fake boobs and dress in tight clothing? Will you tolerate me then?”

And the school said “Yeah, we support you,” and they received bomb threats. This just proves once again who the real enemy is. No children were corrupted by her giant fake boobs, but terrorists threatened to indiscriminately murder children to keep her from being herself.

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