Real world zombies are very unlikely to be slow
Real world zombies are very unlikely
to be slow
There’s no such thing as “realistic zombies” lol
I didn’t say realistic, but since you want to go there…
Cordyceps and rabies would be likely candidates for potential real world zombies.
World War Z (the book) had to go to extreme lengths to dumb the world’s militaries down to make it’s zombie apocalypse seem plausible… everything from completely misrepresenting the way air-fuel munitions work to completely misunderstanding what assault rifles is all about.
And the book’s silliness doesn’t stop there…
One thing they got 100% right is the idiots. I remember being really annoyed about the chapter with people pretending to be zombies, intentionally getting bitten and spreading etc…
…and then COVID happened and proved that the real world had people at least as bad if not more.
Actual assault rifles are fully automatic military hardware.
What most people call assault rifles are just hunting rifles in cosplay.
I remember the author writing an entire paragraph’s worth of screed because the stock of an M16 is not as solid as the stock of an AK - you know, for Hollywood-style zombie bashing - completely forgetting that the AK, like the M16, are rifles and that if you use them as rifles you won’t have to worry about using them as clubs. He also forgot that clubs are easy - pickaxe-handles are much cheaper than M16s.
The Japanese blind anime monk was the peak for me. The book had some good parts but man, what the hell was some of that shit
Did we all collectively forget that far too many Americans were willing to spread a deadly illness, deny its existence, spread conspiracy shit about the vaccine, and host literal mask-not-allowed COVID parties, while people were dying as their lungs melted, just to oWn ThE LIbS?
Even the best military response can’t defeat the collective willful stupidity of citizens.
Yes but viruses are unseen and can’t be shot. A zombie can be seen and can be shot. I think those that didn’t understand how to fight a virus or believe it was a thing at all would happily shoot a zombie.
I wonder if I would go too far in the other direction and question whether or not shooting the zombies is necessary or if their life is precious and should have rights.
This is exactly what would happen, and they would be the exact same people that were throwing non mask covid parties. These people don’t think, they are just against stuff for the whole purpose of being against stuff.
One of my (high level studies) classmate kept complaining about the government for not having a quick vaccine for covid, and as soon as the government started to give vaccines (FOR FREE), he started saying he didn’t thrust it.
Pre-2020, all zombie movies were goofy fiction. Now, I feel like they are best-case scenarios. People are fucking dumb as shit.
If you really want to drive that feeling home watch ‘Don’t Look Up’. It’s a documentary on the incapacity for individual cognizance to overcome wilful ignorance and the very real cognitive limits of your average person.
Nah those people would be great against the infected, not so great for literally anyone around them who doesnt do exactly as he was told.
“Well he didnt look right so I pulled my gun and told him to strip so I could check him for bites, he told me to fuck off and kept walking so I had to shoot him 7 times. I couldnt take the risk he was hiding a bite.”
Those same people would be the first to pull a gun on the minimum wage clerk who asks them to present an up-to-date “I’m not a zombie” screening result.
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Zombies might be a threat for the first days or weeks. People aren’t used to killing, especially not things that look human, especially things that might look like a friend or family member. People would hesitate, or screw up, or think they were safe, or whatever.
But, after a short time people would either learn to fight zombies, or they’d become zombies.
Good zombie fiction isn’t really about the zombies, it’s about the breakdown of society. Bad zombie fiction has people still fighting zombies multiple years after the outbreak started.
The thing I wish you’d see sometimes in zombie fiction is no zombies. Like, a few months after the outbreak, a group of humans completely eliminates 100% of the zombies from a big island or peninsula so people within that area can live normally. It might require killing a million zombies, but that’s only 1000 zombies each by 1000 people. That’s only about 30 zombies a day for a month per person, which should be pretty easy for a dedicated, competent zombie killer. Instead, the most you get is a small walled town with countless zombies on the walls.
It just makes no sense that you typically see every survivor killing dozens of zombies per hour every day and they don’t seem to be making a dent in the local zombie population.
If you.hqvent read the stand, you should. It’s excellent.
It’s not zombies but a flu, but the “breakdown” and then the “after” are as you describe.
It depends on how the zombies are made - if it’s one of those “everyone who dies always comes back as a zombie” deals, the fighting will never end until the last living person is gone.
I’ve never seen / heard / read any zombie fiction where they were completely unkillable. The standard zombie fiction has them gone for good if you kill the brain. Sure, everybody who dies comes back as a zombie, but that just means you kill the first wave over a few years, and then make sure that any time anybody dies their brains are perforated and then they’re cremated.
There’s decent evidence for how humans would handle that situation. Ebola used to be a real problem in Sudan / Congo. Part of the problem was that typical funeral rites involved washing the dead bodies by hand. That spread the disease and more people died. Once people realized that they couldn’t do that without spreading the disease, they adapted. At a certain point the survivors would just have standard death practices that ensured that nobody who died came back as a zombie.
There are some fictional villains that are unkillable. Some that can even eventually self-assemble if you do something like cremate or atomize them. But, they’re individual villains. I’ve never heard of anything like that for hordes of zombies.
Besides, even if zombies were completely unkillable, they’re dumb. Herd them into a mine and then seal it. There are mines that are currently (or were recently) used to store Helium. If they’re so enclosed that not even the second smallest element can escape, they’re going to keep Zombies enclosed too.
I don’t believe that if everyone who died came back as a zombie (and no, zombies don’t come back - once you kill them they’re gone) that the entire world would be coordinated enough to keep them from ever becoming a threat - certain countries might be diligent enough to make sure most corpses had the head destroyed immediately, but countries with less resources would become overrun, just like disease hits them harder now. But you’re right, they could probably be kept in check by some countries indefinitely.
Death Stranding had something like this, except people became nukes instead of zombies when they died. Assuming it isn’t an instant switch from death to walking corpse it would probably be handled the same way with corpse disposal teams transporting bodies to an incinerator ASAP.
To be fair, we still have a covid pandemic going on because people are not smart enough to do the smart thins. They will hide their ingections, the infection screenings will be done by incpmpetent people, the rich and dumb elite will preserve zombies as “exotic pets” they show off to their friend because “they have money, so rules don’t apply to them”, and sentimental idiots won’t let go of their turned loved ones. Not to mention the otherwise entitled people who just blatantly disregard every precaution because “You can’t limit my freedom with this hoax”.
But yeah, in ideal world, the zombie outbreak would be dealt swiftly.
Yeah, but that’s because COVID isn’t 100% fatal, whereas zombie bites are 100% fatal.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that people would be more cautious of a Zombie outbreak, it just means that the dumb ones would be awarded Darwins much more swiftly, leaving only the more cautious ones behind.
The incubation time is key. Imagine, we are already carrying the virus, babies are infected in the womb or through a funghi. Some show symptoms immediately, some later, some never.
Good zombie fiction isn’t really about the zombies, it’s about the breakdown of society. Bad zombie fiction has people still fighting zombies multiple years after the outbreak started.
A good zombie series can have both. The Last of Us was really about people in the post apocalypse, not about zombies, but they were still fighting zombies 20 years later.
Which, IMO, is ridiculous. 20 years is too long for zombies to still be an issue.
Think about a typical Zombie story. The survivors are often killing multiple zombies per hour. Sometimes it’s quiet and there are none, but sometimes it’s frantic and it’s tens of zombies per hour. Say it averages out to 1 zombie per hour, but only when you’re out scavenging, so 10 per day. That’s about 300 zombies per month, about 3500 per year, and that’s without any real effort to hunt them down and eradicate them.
That’s 35,000 per person over 10 years, 70,000 per person over 20 years – and again, that’s just casually encountering and killing 10 zombies per day, without making any real effort to eradicate them. At that rate, (casually killing any zombies they happen to encounter) it would take only about 23 people to clear the entire population of Manhattan (1.6 million) over 20 years. The population of Greater Tokyo is 37 million. At 10 zombies per day it would only take slightly more than 500 people to clear every zombie from the megacity over 20 years.
Now, just imagine you had a zombie-proof wall and someone whose job it was to go stab every zombie up against the wall. They could probably do 1-2 a minute, say 100 per hour, 1000 per day. Over 20 years that one person could personally handle 7 million zombies. Clearly, you’d also need to clear out and remove the bodies, but just in terms of culling the zombie population, it would be easy to do.
Even if zombies killed 99.9% of the population, they should be uncommon after a few months, and incredibly rare after a decade.
I like your detailed response but you do need to consider reckless people, mistakes and oversight. Encountering a horde with just 2 can become problematic.
Consistently killing 10 zombies every day for 20 years, my guess is you’d slip up sooner or later. So not killing them and trying to stay safe instead could be a better option.
They would still rot away before the 20 years are over though
Once they have a safe place, most people will kill zero a day. And the guy killing them on the walls would require them to come to the walls. Natural barriers should prevent that.
That’s pretty much the situation in The Last of Us. Humanity has retreated behind walls. Zombies are mostly not a threat, but they exist outside of the encampments. You can live a life without fighting zombies, but if you need to travel for any reason, you’re taking a risk. The biggest risk is from the tribes of people you’ll encounter along the way though.
