While not it’s not mentioned in this article, he actually said he took mushrooms around 48 hrs before getting onto the plane, which would mean his trip was definitely over. He said he thought he was dreaming, which would probably be better attributed to the fact he hadn’t slept in around 40hrs. I suspect this is a case of “the mushies did it!” being reported over questions of "how was someone in that bad of mental shape was in the cockpit of a plane? " being asked.
Wtf is wrong with society that will point to the drugs as the culprit but not the lack of sleep?
Studies have proven time and time again that prolonged lack of sleep is the most dangerous thing for a human.
My somewhat cynical view is that the airlines are trying to aim for damage control as much as possible, and are tying to throw red herirngs to divert from failings on the airlines part. In this case, shrooms. If the airlines get looked at, I suspect the whole fact that he was probably that sleep deprived and it wasn’t seen as not normal could lead to actual action against airlines.
100% this
They’re trying to shift the blame entirely to the pilot (who was primarily at fault) rather than their policies that allowed a pilot to fly on no sleep for 40 hours
Crew rest is a huge deal in aviation too, something tells me rules were broken and they’re trying to avoid lack of sleep coming up as a culprit.
100%. Not to mention you don’t lose your mind on shrooms, and the trip is over in a few hours. Even if you were to lose contact with reality on shrooms, you wouldn’t have the capability to carry out anything. This feel like a weird deflect authored by someone who knows nothing about mushrooms.
Exactly. If you’re taking enough shrooms to “lose your mind” (aka ego death), then you’re not making it off the floor of your living room, let alone getting through security, getting onto an airplane, and acting normal enough to be let into the cockpit. You’re not even going to be aware that you have a body.
And if you haven’t taken enough for that, then you’re still never going to honestly believe you’re in a dream. That’s not how psychedelics work.
48 hours is too long to blame on an acid trip usually (from my experience) let alone a mushroom trip. Maybe doses and potency were different but I’ve done up to 4 tabs of acid and 1/4 oz of shrooms (different trips) both with some bud smoked, and never had much effect after I slept. From acid sleeping took much longer but not over 40 hours, I wasn’t at a rave doing amphetamines or anything. Not those nights anyways.
I will say people are different and I was well down the road of experimentation by the time I did those strongest trips.
Oh forgot to add if they didn’t sleep that would really fuck someone up. I used to party for days and I made day 3 my limit for good reason, so 48 hours is start of day 3.
Don’t blame this on mushrooms. You get what you go in with.
And this dude hadn’t slept in 40 hours. Who the hell take mushrooms for the first time with severe sleep deprivation while in the cockpit of a commercial airliner!? This guy was unstable to begin with. Hopefully this doesn’t set back the public and regulatory perception of psilocybin and all of the therapeutic benefits it has.
From what I understand he had taken the mushrooms 40 hours prior, for his first time ever, and that’s why he’s been awake all that time. However he was also enroute to pilot a flight, which probably wouldn’t have worked out.
I call BS. Mushrooms don’t keep you up and… call me naive but… FLYING A FUCKING AIRPLANE shouldn’t come as a surprise to you. Why not take a sick day?
He hadn’t slept in 40 hours, but he took the shrooms 48 hours prior, so he had slept since the shrooms at least for a bit.
Supposedly, he took the mushies around 48hrs before, so they were out of his system. So it was probably just extreme sleep deprevation. Which begs the question, it that just considered normal on airlines?
It should hopefully not have any effect on regulatory perceptions since legal psychiatric use should involve a medication with a certain dose that’s the lowest amount that will help instead of just eating a bunch of mushrooms but we do live in the dumbest timeline. I felt bad for this guy thinking it was a mental breakdown and he needed help but this was a series of really bad decisions.
I found a better article on Reuters that says he took the mushrooms about 48 hours before. Would they even still have an effect at that point? I’ve never taken shrooms.
I’ve grown mushrooms myself and eaten a ton. He is sober within ten hours max, but in reality the high wears off in about five to six hour range and sane people only want to sleep at that point. At 24 hours you are experiencing no mushroom effects at all, let alone 40-48 hours
I’ve done mushrooms countless times and mushrooms do not do this. Don’t you even dare try saying it was because of mushrooms. Anyone who has actually done them before will call your bullcrap.
Sure it’s possible he’s making a bullshit excuse.
But dude you have no idea what was going on in his trip. He could have eaten a 5g chocolate bar and started freaking out trying to make it stop, thinking “I need to get out NOW” and being on autopilot (himself, not the plane) since he’s flown so many times, turned the engines off. I’m sure the FAA audio will collaborate his freaking out.
You apparently haven’t had a bad trip on a megadose. Don’t go all “weed has zero bad side effects, man” about mushrooms just because you like them. This isn’t a hit piece on shrooms. It’s a piece against dosing before you fly a plane full of people which I’m totally good with.
He wasn’t flying the plane.
He was off-duty and tried to open an emergency exit.
Yeah the article either intentionally or accidently failed to mention that he took them two days prior to this incident and there’s no way he could still have been under the influence as there are diminishing returns when taking mushrooms (you tyoically need to wait a few days/a week between sessions or they don’t have much effect. The dude obviously snapped from staying awake for 40+ hours straight while also being distressed from the death of his friend.
I find it hard to believe he would have been able to get to the airport, get a flight, and get through airport security if he had simply been ‘tripping balls’ like the article implies.
Thank goodness it was drugs because now we don’t have to talk about the state of healthcare in this country
It was sleep deprivation. He took the shrooms over 48 hours previously, he may have had some sleep after the shrooms, but then stayed awake for 40 hours, and was on his way to fly another shift.
I love mushrooms, and not once have I ever thought about trying to harm anyone during a trip, let alone commit mass murder.
Might as well chock this up to “Reefer Madness”
Yeah this is absolute bullshit.
Let’s set aside, for a moment, that this dude took the shrooms something like 48 hours prior. 100% this guy was not under the influence of psilocybin while on that plane.
But all of that aside, this just isn’t how shrooms work. I know it can affect people in different ways, but I’ve taken heroic shroom doses before. Never, at any point, are you unaware that you’re tripping, or think you’re “dreaming” like this guy claimed, unless you’re literally experiencing ego death. In which case, you’re not even making it off the floor of your living room, let alone onto an airplane (with the company you work for), and into a cockpit.
You’re not going through security, getting on a flight, acting normal enough to get into the cockpit, and then being lucid enough to make a deliberate move like he did. You’re not even going to be aware that you have a fucking body.
And if you’re not tripping hard enough for that, then you’re not tripping hard enough to earnestly believe you’re dreaming. Because that’s not how psychedelics work.
I have seen a couple of people take doses of 5 or 6 grams, and they are completely in a trance for hours. Just stuck in one spot and dead to the outside world. Then about 6 or 8 hours later they are back to their normal self. So, yea something is off about this excuse.
Exactly. If you’re taking that much, you’re basically in another dimension while your husk of a body (that, by this point, you’re completely unaware even exists) is essentially incapacitated for a few hours.
And if you don’t take that much, you 100% know that you’re tripping the entire time.
Why can’t it just be a rare side effect of psychedelics?
I had a friend who freaked out on acid. They found him naked in someone’s yard. After trying to break shit at a friend’s house, he freaked out and ran away.
Why can’t it just be that 1/10k people lose it after psychedelics?
Because there was a multiple day gap between him taking them and him getting on this plane.
