- Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
- Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
- The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas’ cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.
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When will the World stop Israel indulging in this Blood thirsty revenge ritual ?
when is the the fucking humanity going to stand up to this rotten world order ?
The world long ago has proven to care very little about actual human beings. The world cares only about politics and power, everything is power struggles no matter the human cost.
Honestly I am sick and disgusted how for example the US is using another conflict for nationalist propaganda, e.g.
Posting on social media Biden wrote: "Today, thanks to American leadership, we secured safe passage for wounded Palestinians and for foreign nationals to exit Gaza.
They reiterate that Israel doesn’t have the right to indiscriminately kill civilians, while also vetoing every UN resolution calling for a ceasefire or even a pause to ease the humanitarian situation.
The world is appalled by 1400 victims, but at the same time turning a blind eye at the human toll on the Palestinian side.
By the end of this conflict the number of civilian casualties would be much higher, the number of traumatised kids and people, who have lost relatives, and/or roof over their heads would be even higher and this would have solved absolutely nothing as a new wave of desperate people would be pushed into radicalization and hatred towards their oppressor.
RIP peace and human rights!
The world isn’t turning a blind eye, western powers are. Even then, literally everyone in the UN except the US and Israel voted for a ceasefire.
The current Israeli government seems to be Fascist and historically Fascists aren’t exactly known for caring about the lives of “lesser races”, refraining from sacrificing even “their own people” “for the greater good” or once they’re engaged in politics by violent means to stop unless force by an even more powerful force.
Given that those Fascists have the unwavering support of the US (as well as from countries like France, the UK and Germany), they will likely continue the killings until they achieve what they themselves described as a “Second Nakba”
Fascinating, thanks for sharing that. Lehi was classified as a terrorist group by Israel although they were Zionists. As the article states, most Jewish militant groups at the time allied with the UK against Germany, not the other way around.
Wait until you hear about operation paperclip!
Engaging groups like Hamas, isis, or other groups that are highly integrated into the civilian population is ugly business. Hamas is not a conventional state actor with military assets on bases or mobilized for action. It’s uncles and sons and brothers in the homes of family.
The carnage in Gaza is horrifying, but Hamas isn’t likely to form lines and face the IDF in honorable field combat.
Removing the threat posed by Hamas will have an absolutely horrific cost in civilian lives. After oct 7, “the world” seems to agree that Israel has some right to remove that threat. Hamas leadership crossed a line, and like all war the cost will primarily be paid by the ordinary people who were unlucky enough to be born in the war zone.
Hamas is an Insurrection Movement against an occupying power and said occupying power killing more Palestinians is just going to give it more popular support and even more combatants, unless the objective of said occupying power is to “solve” the problem by killing all Palestinians.
Even putting the morality of the Occupation aside, the correct military way of going about this would be Counter Insurgency, but that means actually listening to and making the lives of Palestinians better, not making it worse sprinkled with random violence against civilians as the Israeli government has consistently done for 7 decades, so the only other military alternative that stands a chance of success is Genocide (i.e. stop the support for the Insurgency by killing or expelling the entire population).
I would never defend Israel’s shitty colonialist behavior over the last 7 decades. A horrible colonialist idea followed by generations of stupid mistakes and vile actions.
The question was “when is the world going to put a stop to this”. The answer seems to be that “the world” is going to let Israel attempt to dislodge Hamas. Eliminating Hamas is going to be a disgusting bloodbath and probably will just sew the seeds of the next conflict. The alternative is telling the Israeli people that they deserve to having Viking raiders pillaging the borders because the antisemitic leaders of “the greatest generation” picked a pretty horrible solution to what they called “the Jewish question”.
No good answers, no good guys.
And no one has yet proposed a better way to stop Hamas from firing rockets and prevent another attack on Israel. The only advice people give to Israel is “just stop fighting and die”. The world left Hamas alone to fester in Gaza and now that they hit Israel too hard and their end was decided everyone and his dog cares for the people of Gaza.
Israel is the most powerful military force in the region. They’re not going to die if they stop the fighting. In fact, the current fighting is doing half of hamas’ work for them. Israel is hamas biggest recruiting tool. Peace is the only way to end this conflict.
When will the World stop Israel indulging in this Blood thirsty revenge ritual ?
I suspect it will end when they have achieved safety for themselves. Unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza didn’t work, negotiating with Hamas didn’t work, perhaps destroying north Gaza, (and I suspect eventually annexing it,) to create distance from this endlessly violent and belligerent territory will keep their population safe from their explicitly genocidal enemy.
Israel never should have funded Hamas as a counter balance to the PLO: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Yes indeed. In hindsight that seems obvious, but at the time it didn’t. Generally speaking divide and conquer is a good strategy against one’s opponents so I understand why they tried it. Israel’s system of incentives didn’t mean much to a radical Islamist enemy who wants to drive them into the sea at all costs. It kind of reminds me of how the US inadvertently created Al Qaeda via the Mujahadeen, which directly led to the 9/11 attacks.
Actual Reuters headline:
Hamas says Israel’s strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
OP’s headline :
Gaza says Israel’s strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
No editorializing from me. Reuters changed the title after I submitted the post. You can see it cached by Photon here:
So… Shouldn’t you now change it to match what Reuters currently shows? (For those that don’t know, you can edit titles, unlike with Reddit.)
EDIT: Downvote this all you want, but since they can be edited shouldn’t titles be updated to match an organization’s corrected headline? If I’m in the minority, why not?
I don’t see a problem here. I trust their numbers. They have released lists with all the people killed by Israel before and parts of those lists were confirmed by relatives living abroad. “Hamas-run X,Y,Z” is just a cheap way of trying to delegitimize palestinian deaths.
Like the 500 dead in the self inflicted hospital parking lot? Come on.
Hamas is a motivated and non-credible source for details.
Hamas has launched over 35 THOUSAND rockets over the years, which has barely killed 69 people, yet somehow now all of the sudden such a rocket fails and lands on a hospital and HUNDREDS die? Sure, so be it, but why would I even believe the IDF on this one? They haven’t even provided any kind of proof. They provided a video which many organizations have debunked as being completely unrelated to the hospital rocket. Hell, even the New York Times debunked that video, and they’re definitely west aligned.
Hamas never made that claim.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side.
There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.
Gaza’s Hamas-run media office
Its weird seeing both Hamas and non-Hamas government related bodies. Kind of confusing juggling Gaza without Hamas, Gaza with Hamas, and Hamas’s militant wing specifically.
Hamas is the defacto government of Palestine for close to ten years now. It’s hard to untangle because they are genuinely intertwined. There isn’t a significant difference between “government of Gaza” and “Hamas”.
Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine. They are the authority in Gaza that releases these numbers.
Correction: Hamas is the government body of Gaza, not of all Palestine, which includes the West Bank.
True, but it’s not like that election wasn’t ripe with controversy around its legitimacy. At the very least there was notable voter intimidation being practiced by a militarized group.
Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine.
Hamas is the government of Gaza, not all of Palestine. Palestine also includes the west bank which is under Fatah/PA leadership, they lost a civil war to Hamas in Gaza after Hamas was elected there. They haven’t held another election since.
Hamas never made that claim.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side. There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.
I had somebody tell me yesterday that this refugee camp is in fact a city.
As if bombing a city is better.
War sucks. Belligerent cities are often bombed. Civilians always suffer. This is the inevitable consequence of that city’s government slaughtering hundreds of civilians of a state with superior military capabilities; I’m not sure what they thought would happen.
New euphemism dropped: “Belligerent cities” is the new refugee camp.
Gaza’s government attacked Israel in an act of war. This means they are a belligerent against Israel in this conflict. The population centers they control, aka, cities, are being attacked in response. I’m not using a euphemism, I’m calling this exactly what it is.
You could literally take your statement reverse the attacker and defender, and use it for the October 7th attack.
Either your truly neutral, or you have an agenda. If your neutral, I applaud you and your commitment to pointing out each sides wrongs.
If you have an agenda, justifying an attack in such a way that it justifies reprisal attacks just invites infinite justified violence
What would a nation do if their lands keep getting seized, your people marginalised, your plight ignored by almost all countries?
Sue for peace, accept the least terrible terms you can.
At one time Palestinians had so much support all their neighbors went to war for them, this goodwill appears to have since evaporated due to their behaviors and unwillingness to compromise. Now they are just being used as convenient pawns against Israel, as their lands ebb away. If they are to to be free and autonomous once again I don’t see any other viable path.
Ah yeah, people being actively ethnically cleansed should just sit back and accept their fate.
SURELY there is NOT ONE SINGLE thing Israelis did to provoke Oct. 7 attacks.
Oh yeah, it wasn’t just ONE SINGLE THING. It was THOUSANDS OF THINGS. Those things being war crimes committed against Palestinians. And not just recently, it has happened for decades.
Ah yeah, people being actively ethnically cleansed should just sit back and accept their fate.
SURELY there is NOT ONE SINGLE thing Israelis did to provoke Oct. 7 attacks.
It was THOUSANDS OF THINGS. … for decades
Rage and violence won’t change Gaza’s realpolitik situation, it will make things worse.
All the perceived historical grievances in the world won’t change Gaza’s realpolitik situation.
They cannot win through violence. They will lose everything if they insist on it. I’m saying Palestinians should instead try pacification and diplomacy, it is the only viable path to peace where they have hope of achieving some objectives that are important to them. Ignoring the fundamental realities of their situation brought them to here.
It’s the third massive bombing of the refugee camp. On of the most densely populated area of Gaza which is the most densely populate area on earth.
Zionist psychopaths are above the law.
