Baker’s testimony shows that Mozilla depends so much on its deal with Google for revenue that “the biggest loser of a DOJ win in the Google case would be Mozilla.”
People who use Firefox probably also have some gripes against Google’s work, but I sure as fuck don’t want anything to do with Yahoo
I’m fine with Firefox getting paid for the 2nd step of the install being changing the default search to DDG.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Even when they have such a catchy jingle?
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
As a FF user: Mozilla has such a small market share now, they should experiment with search. Maybe don’t make another “deal” with another ad based search engine, but invent your own decentralized search or mozilla search or whatever.
While I’d prefer the do that also, I think the issue is that Google pays them so much, they couldn’t afford to exist without it.
I mean, they could. They have been cutting costs in the wrong areas, though - those harder to replace if exgoogled. There’s plenty of unnecessary fat in Mozilla as an organization. They have been doing lots of expensive (in terms of developer and testing resources) unneeded crap (apparently to support the appearance of relevancy, which is different from relevancy itself), they also don’t need that many management people.
Let’s please remember how Mozilla started. Yes, a browser back then and a browser now are two completely different things, but the imbalance in resources has always been there. It’s just that now they are spreading resources where they shouldn’t, to imitate Chrome in things secondary to a browser itself. They don’t have the resources for that even with Google, and of course they won’t otherwise.
Also supporting something like XULRunner or in general olden times Gecko would help, so that people could use FF’s engine like they still do with Chromium and Webkit. That would increase the amount of people contributing in various ways.
That’s how I see it, my humble opinion and all that.
That’s the core of the trial though, right? That through these deals and other things Google does to stay dominant, they stifle the market for competition. Ie Edge, Chrome, and every other Chromium-based browser pushes Google to the end users and FF pushes some unfamiliar search platform, then there’s an uphill, arguably unfair, battle for it to gain enough market share to be sustainable.
The only reason that would work is if they used user search data to sell to advertisers or show ads themselves. That’s how Google search makes money, but it’s antithetical to everything Mozilla is trying to market themselves as: a privacy oriented browser.
I’d pay for a yearly subscription to a privacy focused search by Mozilla.
No you won’t. I mean maybe you, personally, will, but the majority of people won’t. People don’t want to pay for YouTube without ads, for fox sake.
Just don’t use gogle.
“Google’s core argument that its search engine wins default status due to its quality, not due to anticompetitive behaviors.”
Then why pay Apple 20 billion for default star?
It’s still the best search engine in my experience. I’ve tried using bing and DuckDuckGo. They just don’t cut it and the ai stuff isn’t particular impressive to me. Google just understands the power of defaults
Have you tried Kagi? The search results seems to be a lot better than Google. I’m able to find what I need using search terms that would only returns spammy e-commerce results on Google. I’m on a trial account but so far I’m impressed and might consider getting a paid family subscription if my wife also like it.
whats wrong with her hair
Boo fucking hoo. Mozilla isn’t a saint and could benefit from a shake up as well. Mozilla’s dependency on Google is dangerous for all of us.
The biggest loser if the DOJ doesn’t win is literally everyone.
I will bite whatever bullet I have to if it means the end of Google hegemony.
Mozilla’s dependency on Google is dangerous for all of us.
But as you can see above, people leave when they don’t use Google
It’s a user issue not a developer one
Relying on monopolistic practices is an endorsement of monopoly as a practice, which is why Mozilla is no saint in this situation.
Mozilla’s history is littered with poor business decisions that led them down the road to dependency on Google, they shouldn’t be excused from them now that a legitimate court case is a threat to their existence.
I don’t see how this case against Google is a threat to Firefox’s existence
It’s not like they can lie under oath and say they left the contract with Yahoo that pays more to be with Google because they’re a Monopoly
This playing into Google’s argument that they are the best is just nice for them
I am aware that popularity and quality aren’t related at all though
