Some of you guys have really warped definitions of libertarianismā¦
Perhaps some facets of libertarianism are really fucked up?
Slavery and child porn are debated by libertarians because the only way to address both is centralized government. However, since most (though not all) libertarians are opposed to any central government, they end up justifying with āwell if you want to sell yourself as a slave, why should anyone stop you?ā.
But yeah, obviously itās us that are aware of this who are the fucked up ones.
Iād argue pedophilia can be to some degree be addressed with proper mental healthcare.
Iām curious what the downvotes are forā¦ Are they saying thereās no helping them or even the thought of helping them is bad?
Of literally all the kinds of people in the world with all the kinds of mental issues they could have, Iāve never seen more vicious hatred of a group than pedophiles. Not to defend them, but it could be as simple as having a sexual attraction but literally never acting on it, yet still I see ākill them, drag them by their genitals, let dogs eat them alive and pee on themā etcā¦ that kind of absolute dehumanizing hatred. Even the sociopaths that are literally destroying the world get by with less violent hatred.
Again, not defending pedophiles, I just think that if itās an issue of mental help then they should be helped, not hunted.
Pretty sure the libertarian stance on slavery is that it is wrong, given the lack of liberty that slaves have. And the fact you can use a government to ensure nobody gets enslaved demonstrates the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist.
The maximum amount of personal liberty does not come from zero government. It comes from having enough government to prevent people from enslaving other people.
Pretty sure the libertarian stance on slavery is that it is wrong
Libertarians are VERY individualistic (shocker) which means no 2 libertarians define libertarianism the same way.
HOWEVER, you literally just have to search for āslavery libertarianā in the google box to find all sorts of fairly high profile libertarians arguing about how slavery can actually be a good thing that we should allow.
For example, from Walter Block: http://www.kspjournals.org/index.php/JEST/article/view/346
Can be addressed with assassination politics aimed at slavers and child abusers.
We can solve [crime against humanity] by [commiting crime against humanity]
This is not at all a debate in libertarianism. Libertarians recognize the role of a limited small government to protect individual rights. Like please pull up one example of this debate going on in a libertarian space.
Libertarians donāt believe murder should be legal and crazy shit like that. Libertarians believe in a guaranteed freedoms like freedom of speech, economic liberalism and are often social progressives who believe in gay marriage and drug legalization.
The bill of rights was brought to you by libertarians.
The problem is libertarian groups themselves donāt stand up against anarchists joining them. I remember Gary Johnson getting booed at an official libertarian party gathering for saying he believes in driverās licences.
Also we already know how libertarianism ends, with robber barons controlling everything and people living in company towns. Itās a terrible political ideal.
American libertarians are rebranded anarcho-capitalists. Outside of the US, libertarians are largely associated with anarchism and other anti-authoritarian socialist ideologies. Any left-libertarian (the kind that would identify as just anarchist, not ancap) want absolutely nothing to do with Gary Johnson. Donāt put their shit show of an ideology on us lol
Left libertarians are still opposed to a strong central government which is a core issue with libertarianism.
In your ideal government, how would child porn or slavery be addressed? Letās assume thereās a community that formed because they think itās a good thing.
Whatās wrong with anarchists? Iāve never seen anarchists defending pedophilia. Anarchism doesnāt mean you just freely cause harm to others; quite the contrary.
Oh most anarchists I know are nice people, they just completely fail to understand that not everyone else is. They donāt want to oppress, steal, rape, or murder, and so systems to prevent those things arenāt necessary.
Yeah, libertarians acknowledge that 12 year olds are children, they just also want to fuck children.
ā¦āSomeone shot an RPG at us from the upper top window of the building across the road, requesting air support, overā¦ā ā¦āTheyāre setting up another RPG, overā¦ā ā¦āAh never mind, itās a minor. Weāll just hope he continues to miss usā
Like Hasan said āItās all liberalism at the end of the dayā
Who actually hates themselves enough to watch Hasan Piker? Not only is he an idiot, but heās also cringe beyond hope
Not that Iām outright disagreeing with you, but in what way is he an idiot? He went to Rutgers and has been a pundit for a decade. He knows his shit when it comes to history as well.
Fuck, marry, kill: Degen edition
Libertarians are morons in their own right but the core philosophy of libertarianism (in the political compass sense) is the opposite of authoritarianism, which is where fascism stems from. A group that doesnāt want centralized government canāt also want a centralized government that enforces sociopolitical ideology.
The more you throw around the word āfascistā to mean āanything right of me that I donāt likeā the more the word loses meaning and becomes like the ācommunistā rallying cry of the boomers.
Reminds me of the old joke āwhatās the difference between libertarians and republicans? Libertarians know the legal age of consent in all 50 statesā
This trope and this meme are lame and wrong. You people have a ridiculous idea about Libertarians that is nothing but plain prejudice.
I encourage anyone to prove me wrong by reading this Libertarian Party Platform document. Please point out anything about age of consent that is included in the Libertarian platform.
Additionally, prove me wrong by showing any example of a Libertarian party member stating support for adults abusing children in the manner alluded to in this prejudiced meme / trope.
EDIT: Downvotes donāt prove anything folks. I issued a challenge here - is nobody going to prove me wrong?
No I am offended by the prejudice behind the joke. Itās as bad as Trumptards and Qanon morons calling Democrats pedos.
Probably not a great idea to alienate the Independent type voters ahead of important elections as well. Democrats / Leftists / whatever you are should be courting the votes of those who are not-Republicans rather than driving more division.
WHOOOOOOOOSH
Buddy, the definition of libertarian differs greatly from what your ilk discusses online.
I brought this up yesterday, and Iām not even a libertarian. I just have working eyes and those muscles between them run decent enough too. The ideology of libertarianism is so harmful to the corporations that run this country that it had to be astroturfed into the thought terminator cliche of ālibertarian = pedoā amongst an entire new generation. They destroyed Occupy WallSt in a different but similar way, by infiltrating all the influential OWS groups and making identity politics a core tenant (if youāre white, shut up because your opinions are worthless - thought terminator cliche so āin your face obviousā that theyāre promoting exactly what theyāre supposedly fighting against, but most were taken in anyway) - hereās a video of it in action from 2011.
https://lemmy.world/comment/5139983
The corporations that run this country love youth internet addiction. Thereās never been an easier time in history to spread or destroy a movement simply by spending money. You donāt even need a puppet. Itās the ultimate power.
