EDIT: To the people downvoting this post because democrats > republicans: you’re missing the point.

107 points

I see the campaign to suppress Democrat voter turnout has started.

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I’ve voted democrat for every election I can remember. And while I like to see my “team” win as much as the next guy, at some point you realize that other countries have better electoral systems in place.

Meanwhile, we’ve all acquiesced to this 2-party winner takes all bullshit.

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32 points

Same. Democrats are shit but I mean…fuck republicans more.

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30 points

Look I hate a two party system as much as the next person but the both sides are the same thing is just not true, don’t say it.

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7 points

The most confusing thing to me is how Democrats can have majorities in the House and POTUS and their agenda gets inched along but the second Republicans have that their agenda gets rammed through asap.

Is that a misconception? It certainly seems that Republicans make much more aggressive and active use of their power.

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15 points

The way to end the 2-party stranglehold is to implement RCV or similar, and the only party trying to do that is the Democrats.

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2 points

They are? More info please.

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6 points

What country would you point to as a good example?

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Sweden, Germany, Colombia, Australia, etc. Ranked/Alternative/Proportional voting. We should have multiple choices without fear of voting for less popular options being useless. With our current system we basically can’t vote for third parties.

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8 points

Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Malta, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have ranked choice vote. Slovenia had it previously but regressed to FPTP in 2021.

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1 point

They do and I’d love to have a better method available to us.

However the meme is a little off.

One party doesn’t give a fuck about you, the other actively wishes you harm and works to that end.

They’re not “my team” but they’re well past “the lesser of two evils” given the other one.

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7 points

It is all over everything right now. It’s giving me PTSD from 2016. Are we voting Jill Stein again?

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3 points

If you’ll match my donation I’ll explain how Bernie can still win

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4 points

If the duopoly of our government is enough to convince folks not to vote, they weren’t going to vote anyway and were just looking for a reason.

I don’t disagree with OP, but at the same time, we’ve only got one tool to enact change. So let’s use that tool to get things like ranked voting.

But you’re also right, plenty of folks out there telling folks to give up. All the more reason to not in my opinion.

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3 points

The people we need most to turn out and vote this election season (18-24) are the most susceptible to this kind of campaign. And you very much can get them to vote with the right message.

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2 points

That’sa lie. I’ve voted every election since eligible age but fuck the two majors. I’m happy to write in, but I’m not keen on Cornell anymore either so I’m about to nope, unless someone better than the status quo comes along.

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Give up? More like the Republicans are grasping for straws considering how bad they have done in local and midterm elections. They could be putting propaganda to dissuade Democratic voters, which I don’t see happening anytime soon. Biden (and many Democrats) has surprisingly been more progressive for me as a leftist and many people appreciate that. My theory is that the pandemic and the government response to alleviate the costs after the lockdowns made Americans appreciate more government assistance.

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53 points

“first past the post” voting always devolves to a two party system. The founding fathers knew this and warned against it. Until we get ranked choice, or something similar, we’re stuck.

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13 points

CGP Grey video for those who want to know more

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5 points

That’s a great video.

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5 points

Not quite.

FPTP always devolves into local two candidate elections.

There’s no guarantee, though, that those two parties are the same everywhere. Regional third parties can do quite well under FPTP. That particularly works for e.g. the Scottish National Party or the Bloc Quebecois.

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3 points

Yeah. That’s how Bernie keeps winning as an independent.

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1 point

To be fair, the American Founding Fathers may not have had heard of the ranked choice voting. The idea was only just forming after the US became independent.

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39 points

This is dumb as shit. Democrats aren’t perfect but they do care. That is why they actively took steps to stop people from dying during COVID unlike the GOP. That’s why they support universal healthcare, unlike the GOP. That’s why they support public education unlike the GOP. That is why they support free and fair elections unlike the GOP.

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Before I say anything else, if you’re voting, right now at a national level at least, Democrats are essentially the only option if you give a shit about democracy and aren’t an accelerationist.

That said: The GOP fucking up covid so hard is probably the only reason Trump didn’t get re-elected. Democrats as a collective do not support universal healthcare. They had the capability to pass whatever they wanted in Obama’s first term. They actively rejected even a public option. They fucked us (normal, non-rich people) hard, because, as a group, they ain’t us. They could have fixed a lot of the issues around public education that were introduced in the bush administration, but they didn’t. How’s that student loan debt forgiveness going? They, again as a group not individually, hate the idea of all those loans not getting paid. THINK OF THE BANKS! As far as free and fair elections go, they benefit from the FPTP system, they will never get rid of it unless they’re forced to.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS SAID: VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL IS WHAT WE’RE STUCK WITH UNLESS WE WANT THINGS TO GET WAY, WAY WORSE.

The alternative to these fetid dickbags is fascists and yes, some literal Fucking Nazis.

In a world where the Overton window isn’t totally fucked, Democrats are center-right. They, again as a group, give zero shits about regular people.

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10 points

Yep. You can vote for the bad party or you can vote for the party that wants you dead. At least if you keep voting for the bad party the other side will get less bad to get more votes. Then you vote for the less bad party and so on until they actually start being good.

It’s so easy, but general population for some reason don’t think that way.

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6 points

An easy solution will always sound more appealing than a complex one, even if the easy solution is a lie. MAGA Republicans offer only this.

Worried about immigration? “Build the wall!”

Think government is corrupt? “Drain the swamp”

Does LGBT stuff confuse you “Groomers!”

Scared of change? “Make America Great Again”

No real understanding of any of the underlying problems and no plans to address them. Just catchy slogans.

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Just catchy stupid slogans that appeal to the worst americans

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Only few dems actually support universal Healthcare, unfortunately, and the majority don’t care about anything but lining their pockets. It’s the same with the GOP, of course.

That being said, of course vote for dems if your only other option is reps. What’s bad is better than what’s terrible. However, don’t simply vote and be done with it.

Educate yourself. Improve your life. Exercise, organize, teach. Grassroots praxis is where you can meaningfully improve the lives of your community, and carry that momentum elsewhere. The two party system isn’t going to be corrected purely via electoralism, it’s a stop-gap to prevent sliding into fascism.

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Funny thing about that universal healthcare support though, none of them ever do jack shit about it. Obamacare was the closest and it still fucking sucked ass. All it would take is one of them to push back against the health insurance companies and make an actual change but they will not ever do that, ever. They keep parroting that they care about these things yet do NOTHING about it. Fuck GOP though too sure Ill give you that but also fuck the party that has a lot of great things they say theyre going to do and then dont do any of it.

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26 points

Don’t ‘both sides’ this one. The rule is and has always been:

  • vote for the option that will help us be healthier, happier, and do our part
  • repeat

The two options aren’t even comparable anyway. It’s like comparing the Flu to Covid.

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Be cool if one of the options werent an illness though, eh?

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