62 points

lock the parents up and get that kid some lifelong counseling.

as a gun owner… I find not locking up your weapons abhorrent.

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Agreed, as terrible a thing as it is to happen to a parent it needs to be punished when this occurs. Someone was obviously negligent with a gun around a child. If it was put away properly this wouldn’t have happened.

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But how can i enjoy my right to bear arms if my weapons are locked up

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as a non American I find owning guns abhorrent but to each their own

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There are several reasons go own a gun in the US. Should we have as many as we do? Absolutely not. But we have a lot of wild and dangerous animals and you don’t have to get far from a city center to encounter them. We also have several invasive species we keep down via strategic hunting. Feral pigs being one of them. They’re very dangerous and near impossible to get rid of once they’re there.

The US could definitely do with at least having the Canadian system where guns are highly tracked by the government (and they should be), but until i don’t see coyotes and random bullshit like that wandering around my suburban area, I still guy why you’d want one. I say this as someone who had never owned a gun, nor wants to own one for various reasons.

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Sounds like a job for someone trained in killing wild animals, not like something that justifies everyone having a firearm.

Do you think you that there are more feral pigs or people killed with guns in US?

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As a hunter I own quite a few, but guess what? They are all fucking locked up in a safe and I don’t have any children, just my wife and I. How anyone could have children and think it’s ok to leave a firearm around is asinine.

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I took away my son’s bb and pellet guns because I caught him waving his rifle around like a toy.

“But it wasn’t loaded!”

“Then you obviously forgot or ignored the very first thing I taught you.”

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As an Italian surrounded by guns who has them and hates them but might need to ruin my life by defending myself against a crazed neighbor… They’re abhorrent. There’s no good that comes from a gun.

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3 year olds can’t even reliably communicate that they have to go to the bathroom. They routinely injure themselves and others sometimes through idle curiosity, sometimes via being bad at using their body or understanding consequences. 3 year olds often just do the opposite of what you say for no other reason than developmentally that’s the period they defy you.

Have you met a 3 year old? Interacting with them for a long period of time and then tried to get to stop doing something novelly dangerous without them doing that thing at least once? Because it’s basically impossible to teach toddlers anything but in retrospect. Adults only follow instructions because they have enough experience to trust the system. A 3 year old has no such trust.

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Unless there’s extenuating circumstances, you’ve failed if your 3 year old can’t reliably communicate the need to go to the bathroom. I’m not saying they get things perfect, but the vast majority of 3 year olds can tell you when they need to go to the bathroom.

Even at age 2 it’s quite common.

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Either lock them up or teach gun safety.

Responsible firearm owners are doing both of those.

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If the owners didn’t know that keeping unlocked, loaded, and (I’m willing to bet) chambered firearms in a household with kids was dangerous then the only way they’ll learn is in jail.

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the 2 common culprits in all these horrible stories are: 1) human stupidity 2) gun proliferation. solving the first would require eugenism. solving the second is a big american no-no. So don’t call it horrible, just live with it. It’s just a normal by-product of american culture.

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IMHO solving 1 needed educations, but that’s also a big American no-no, so we’re back to square one.

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IMHO solving 1 needed educations, but that’s also a big American no-no

No it’s not. For all of their ills, stupidity, nonsense, fraud, and extremely questionable decisions the NRA does run education campaigns with their “Eddie Eagle” program. A big problem is that it has been kicked out of schools, especially schools in Blue States, so they’re unable to reach one of the audiences that need it the most.

It’s like Red States kicking Sex Education out of schools and being shocked at teen pregnancies. Education works far better than restriction. Always.

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it has been kicked out of schools

So, as @Ichi_matsu@ttrpg.network said, it’s a big no-no for Americans.

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Yeah, I’m not sure eugenics is ever the answer

Wtf?

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Why would the gun be loaded? At the very least the gun and the ammo should be separated.

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You are 100% correct but that loops is back to #1.

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The better question is why was a handgun needed? People shouldn’t buy deadly weapons for fun.

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Anything is a deadly weapon in the right situation.

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Most people buy a handgun like that for self-defense. Likely because they don’t expect the cops to show up and protect them. And there isn’t anything wrong with owning something dangerous if it’s property secured and used safely. These parents were negligent.

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Most gun safety in America is optional.

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Not if your concerned about personal safety. I don’t live in the best neighborhood. So the time to slide in 12ga rounds might cost me my life.

https://youtu.be/AItWcBU-NEA?t=238

All my others are in safes and the ammo is not easily accessible.

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Separating ammo isn’t actually securing the firearm though. Loaded or unloaded it should still be property secured. And you can safely store a fire loaded if the firearm is actually in some kind of safe. The parents were simply negligent.

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Solving the first would require the end of human existence. You can’t breed out stupidity, eugenics doesn’t solve anything.

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Clearly we need to arm 1 year olds so they can defend themselves

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That wouldn’t have happened if the 1-year-old had a gun 🤔

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Or if the family lived almost anywhere else in the world.

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You saying this in this scenario is the reason why we’re so divided. You try to pervert fair arguments and make them seem absurd.

These are not the issues the democrats are targeting in wanting to solve when they want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.

If the 3 yo instead stabbed the 1 year old, would that make a difference? Should we start banning household knives?

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want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.

I say F the 2nd. And it was gun rights advocates who radicalized me, not Democrats.

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Okay, well until we as a country determine that the constitution needs amending and we want to repeal the 2nd amendment, it’s the constitution that is the most important part of the law that every state must abide by.

I like that you didn’t respond to the rest of my comment that showed how stupid yours was. What do you think of the criticism I had for your comment, do you just want to ignore my points of

  1. You’re strawmanning the argument
  2. This isn’t the scenario’s the democrats are targeting when they want to ban AR’s.
  3. If a different weapon was used, do you think it’s a good argument to ban said weapon?
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Is a pump-action shotgun not an armament? A bolt-action rifle? A revolver? I’m fine with an 18yo buying one of these. You want something more powerful then show you’re responsible enough to own it.

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I don’t hear a lot about 3-year-olds stabbing 1-year-olds. I do hear a lot about toddlers getting guns and shooting other kids…

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If the 3 yo instead stabbed the 1 year old, would that make a difference? Should we start banning household knives?

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Whats the “fair argument”? You need more guns to prevent more shootings? Do you realise how dumb this is?

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That in a case of self defense, I’d rather have a gun.

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