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Friendly reminder that Thunderbird is a great way to handle multiple email accounts on the desktop.

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There are no perfect desktop email clients, but Thunderbird is pretty great.

It’s a little too powerful for my needs, so I stick to Claws.

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I moved away from a desktop client for several years because of Thunderbird staying stuck in the 2010s, but the redesign brought me back into the fold. It’s certainly overkill for scanning through subject lines, but compared to having five tabs open …

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5 points

Bluemail is decent. But im still always looking for better.

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4 points

Mailspring is pretty cool :)

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Correct me if I’m wrong, I very well might be, but doesn’t Bluemail do the same thing as the new Outlook for their “instant push” feature? I don’t see how else they’d accomplish that.

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2 points

Ain’t that the truth.

Geary is so close to perfect but they depend on Gnome Online accounts which doesn’t support O365 so I can use it for everything but my university email.

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5 points

But Thunderbird still doesn’t support outlook calendar etc right?

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It does support any good calendar using CalDav standard.

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I must say I’m quite pleased with it too. The previous time I tried it was in 2005 and it was just ok. I also recently found out about the Owl add-on. Really makes it a good alternative

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3 points

I hate how they use quotes around the name Thunderbird…

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2 points

It can even look great with the Monterail Dark 2 Add-On.

(For some reason I had to download it and then install it from the downloaded file, but it DOES work!)

Also available in a Full Dark mode version

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What a clickbaity article. I’m all for exposing bad stuff but this article presents zero proof of it transferring passwords. It also fails to highlight the manner of how data voluntarily synced to MS is handled. All in all it doesn’t do anything but trying to steer users to it’s own services.

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So reading another article (https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-lays-hands-on-login-data-Beware-of-the-new-Outlook-9358925.html )makes it more clear. If you consent to syncing IMAP account to outlook then it will transfer IMAP username password and mailserver config to Outlook.

I mean, they could have specified that your IMAP credentials would be synced, but it’s redundant considering you’re telling it to sync.

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I know, right? Jesus I hate bullshit tech “reporting” like this. This particular comment just smacks of outrage “journalism”:

Microsoft gets full access to mails, calendars and contacts!

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To be fair, they aren’t journalists. They’re a privacy-centric mail provider that is warning their customers.

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11 points

It is very easy to find other sources making the same claim, such as this one which includes an image of allegedly posted json including passwords.

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Which I already posted before your reply.

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Nice timing. I don’t see how warning you that your email passwords will be kept remotely by Microsoft would be “redundant.” Many people will assume from that message that it would only send them all your mail, and the even more carelessly optimistic among us might guess that it would be end-to-end encrypted as it obviously should be.

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As for third party accounts you can only select IMAP, no pop3, sand it warns you’d be logged in thorough Microsoft servers, they don’t even try to hide it

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33 points

It’s ok Microsoft are very sorry you found out

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33 points

I am so grateful I left Windows and move to Linux.

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Best decision of my life… After initial set up, it works better than microshit whore OS. You pay but it does not love you.

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What an analogy! Summarises my experience with Win vs linux. Still on “early dates” with linux, but it does get better and better, while MS seemingly deliberately tries to alienate me with every new update. Won’t be a returning customer!

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5 points

Here here, best 6 years ever. Never looked back.

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Outlook has nothing to do with the OS though? You can get the same Outlook app on MacOS too.

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What its your point buddy ? I didn’t get it.

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PSA: mailbox.org has a great, privacy focused email service.

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I went on a trawl on email security and privacy.

It doesn’t fucking exist.

Regular mails w/e sure

But I’m never talking to someone via email again.

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Agreed, but unfortunately, unless they implement VJOURNAL in their caldav implementation, I’ll probably switch to Fastmail when my prepay is up.

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Fastmail is a great provider, very happy customers, but with them being in a five eyes country, I don’t trust them. But it’s only email which is a nightmare protocol regarding privacy anyways so I don’t really care.

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Encryption + POP should be part of every privacy conscious person’s repertoire.

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Privacy-focused email doesn’t truly exist, since it’s likely 90%+ of people you email are probably using Gmail, Hotmail/Outlook, or Yahoo. Companies like Gmail/Google could still build a profile of you if they wanted to, by collecting all the threads you’re a participant in.

The best you can do is self-host your mailbox (e.g. Using Mailcow) with an encrypted file system (e.g. using LUKS), but you’d still need to use an SMTP gateway to ensure deliverability, so it’s going to be relayed through, and ultimately end up at, some third-party you have no control over. Some third-parties don’t even have TLS enabled for their email servers.

You shouldn’t think of email as a private or secure communication mechanism unless you’re encrypting your emails.

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