Because school is entirely geared towards parents. Nothing about school is actually good for the people going through it, but the system doesn’t actually care about them, and isn’t designed to.
Nothing? I’d argue that learning mathematics is good for people going through school but then again I’m no expert in education.
Really? The thing most people end up using the least in their lives beyond an elementary school level?
Math education is a crapshoot for most people. All it does is serve as a way to make them feel bad about themselves for not being interested in what people like you tell them to be interested in.
Thank god computers are putting math majors out to pasture.
No, I’d argue learning history and how to read is more important than anything else the school system provides. It’s what follows most of us throughout our entire lives.
Math and literacy are both fundamental and essential tools for a self sufficient adult. You don’t need to remember how to to apply the quadratic theorem or complete the square outside of high school for most jobs. You do need to remember how to read and basic concepts like compound interest or multiplication. People who don’t are ill prepared for life, not just adulthood.
There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with having a classroom of students being taught a curriculum. It’s effective even if it’s inefficient. The execution is lacking for sure, but to suggest that none of it is good for students is a little dramatic.
John Caldwell Holt, either “Instead of Education” or “How Children Fail.” I should reread them; is been a while.
I meant sources showing how “school is entirely geared towards parents” and how “the system doesn’t actually care about them [children], and isn’t designed to”
honestly abolish school. I can’t imagine subjecting my hypothetical child to what I went through.
I wouldn’t go so far as to abolish school completely, but things definitely need to change. Kids deserve so much better
They would just stay up later if they knew they could sleep in. It won’t fix that.
Also, If we are going to change it, we need to just shift everyones starting time back an hour so their parents can still take them to school before work. Or possibly drop some time off the workday.
I get where you’re coming from in that first sentence, but teens are more tired than adults, all things considered. It’s a thing we’ve studied.
We explode into adulthood in just a few years. Growth, hormones and the attendant sexuality and social pressures, all that wears a young person to the bone. Teens aren’t lazy, their bodies are kicking their ass. Looking back on the late 80’s, it’s a wonder I moved at all.
On one hand I say, meh, it’s normal, let 'em deal with it. OTOH, I say, can’t we all realize the biological facts and make concessions for them? That last part costs real money BTW, there’s no magic switch to fix this.
My response was also along the lines of “just go to sleep earlier”. Then I yelled at some kids to get off my lawn before complaining about prune prices.
Jokes aside, I remembered that I’m not really a kid anymore, that I used to be sleepy during the day as well, and that I still couldn’t fall asleep before midnight.
I don’t have a viable solution for this problem. Going to bed earlier doesn’t seem feasible. The only thing I can come up with rhymes with amphetamine.
They would just stay up later if they knew they could sleep in.
A) Not infinitely
B) Not all of them
C) That doesn’t change the actual data we have that says later start times are better
we need to just shift everyones starting time back an hour so their parents can still take them to school before work.
Or… we could stop designing our cities so that that’s necessary?
Why is it so hard to sleep earlier?
Teens are irresponsible, every time there’s a pilot program they just stay up later
I am having trouble finding results on both sides
I did find on the for side that 9am is better than 8am but I’ve never known a place to start at 8am. On the for side the only empirical backing was that they need 8 hours of sleep but nothing saying that relates to start time
For what it’s worth, my high school started at 8 am. I was more asking if you had a source for the claim that teenagers would respond to the changes by staying up later. Also, here are a couple studies that suggest that later start times are beneficial: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/josh.12388, https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.aau6200.
I’m pretty sure it just boils down to hatred of young people. “I had to get up early so you do too.”
Which is why I think we should amend the constitution to allow cruel and unusual punishments for people who utter the phrase “build a better world for our children.”
