I mean, people use dash-cams protect themselves in case of a car crash, so do you think people in the future would also use body-cams protect themselves in case of being involved in a fight?
Nah once deepfakes become simple enough for the majority to make, citizen-created video evidence will be worthless.
Only ‘tamper-proof’ sources will be trusted even when they will be tampered with.
I don’t remember if this came from cybersecurity logging practices or from anti-deepfake advice I saw online, but maybe physical cameras can constantly upload video evidence to a reliable third-party server which will save the checksums of, suppose, every minute’s worth of data. Then there would be no way for the source of the video to retroactively replace the content on that server with deepfake videography without this leaving evidence in the checksums.
I’m not sure if/how the third-party server would be able to tell that it’s listening to a real bodycam/dashcam rather than simply receiving data from a deepfake-generating AI model. I guess to use a video for evidence, you’d have to have corroborating evidence from nearby people who recorded the same event from a different angle (AI-generated videos would have trouble with creating different angles of the same event, right?).
And even if you can’t use a video as evidence, witness testimony has always been used in court. Someone else on Lemmy wrote that people have been making arguments in court since before there was photo/video evidence; our justice system (whoever “our” refers to) will simply revert to pre-camera ways when a photo/video cannot be trusted.
Another option related to the checksum solution is that camera manufactorers could implement a system on the physical camera where the raw file is tagged with some checksum/stamp and the same is stored on the device. In a situation where the validity of the photo/video in question, you could use the raw files and the physical device that captured it as the proof.
I’m sure we will see multiple attempts to solve this, whether it be adverserial “de-fake” AIs, some physical verification or something completely different. It will be interesting to see what work and not, and what may turn out to become the standard way of verification
A hackspace I am in contact with had an… interesting debate on this topic.
Member A used a wearable video recording system. His view was that it was fixing a disability (his poor memory) in the same manner as someone wearing glasses, or a hearing aid.
Member B was a privacy advocate. He had STRONG views on his right to not be photographed or recorded, without his permission.
These 2 members did not see eye to eye. Both had a valid view , but diametrically opposed. Normally, it wouldn’t be too bad. Unfortunately, both were on the governing committee! Apparently even trying to arrange how to run the meetings to discuss it was getting problematic!
In the USA, in a public space, Member B doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on. You have no right to privacy in a public space.
This wasn’t in America, it was a private group. Also both peoples had had their views respected, at different times. It was the collision of rights that caused fun.
Privacy advocates are quite common in hackspaces. They generally have their requests respected. The rule of thumb is to check before taking pictures of someone else, or their projects. Most don’t have an issue, but a few might want to limit some things.
I feel the more likely scenario is for public surveillance to reach a point where everyone outside their home (or near a window) is being recorded from multiple sources.
It’s already the case in neighborhoods and apartment/townhome complexes, Amazon’s Ring. Can’t walk down the street without being recorded on both sides by at least 50% of front doors / driveways. Amazon who was recently caught allowing employees to view hundreds of women’s home camera feeds (even indoor cameras, since the average person doesn’t fully consider how much a single company can spy on you when there’s a camera/microphone reporting directly to their servers).
Very true, I forgot about the doorbell cameras! Neighbors on FB will often post their camera footage when a “suspicious” (read: black or young) person drives by
Sooner or later, it’ll be borderline impossible to talk a stroll without being captured on a video somewhere. I wonder how disguises/masks might evolve to counteract. And if any scene occurs, you’d better bet there’ll be at least one phone camera pointed at it.
I await the day whenever secure, self-hosted services are the norm instead of centralized, proprietary services.
Humans are lazy. Having someone else set up all the details is a lot easier than doing it yourself. Until we fundamentally change the human condition, it will be a losing battle. The best we can likely do is limit the damage and reduce the difficulty of taking the better road.
Secure, self-hosted services take knowledge to set up. Everyone wants a plug-and-play solution.
I sure hope so. I just want to be able to prove to my wife she said that hamburgers were fine for dinner when she argues she never said that.
Nothing would really surprise me. I am fascinated by that Black Mirror episode where they have cameras in their eyes and can play back anything they’ve ever seen, or download/stream for others to see. Even this seems totally plausible eventually.
You should check out Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. It takes it a bit further …
