I mean, people use dash-cams protect themselves in case of a car crash, so do you think people in the future would also use body-cams protect themselves in case of being involved in a fight?

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I sure hope so. I just want to be able to prove to my wife she said that hamburgers were fine for dinner when she argues she never said that.

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Nah once deepfakes become simple enough for the majority to make, citizen-created video evidence will be worthless.

Only ‘tamper-proof’ sources will be trusted even when they will be tampered with.

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Then some company will put out a camera that uploads all the video to the cloud with verification and makes it read only.

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I don’t remember if this came from cybersecurity logging practices or from anti-deepfake advice I saw online, but maybe physical cameras can constantly upload video evidence to a reliable third-party server which will save the checksums of, suppose, every minute’s worth of data. Then there would be no way for the source of the video to retroactively replace the content on that server with deepfake videography without this leaving evidence in the checksums.

I’m not sure if/how the third-party server would be able to tell that it’s listening to a real bodycam/dashcam rather than simply receiving data from a deepfake-generating AI model. I guess to use a video for evidence, you’d have to have corroborating evidence from nearby people who recorded the same event from a different angle (AI-generated videos would have trouble with creating different angles of the same event, right?).

And even if you can’t use a video as evidence, witness testimony has always been used in court. Someone else on Lemmy wrote that people have been making arguments in court since before there was photo/video evidence; our justice system (whoever “our” refers to) will simply revert to pre-camera ways when a photo/video cannot be trusted.

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Another option related to the checksum solution is that camera manufactorers could implement a system on the physical camera where the raw file is tagged with some checksum/stamp and the same is stored on the device. In a situation where the validity of the photo/video in question, you could use the raw files and the physical device that captured it as the proof.

I’m sure we will see multiple attempts to solve this, whether it be adverserial “de-fake” AIs, some physical verification or something completely different. It will be interesting to see what work and not, and what may turn out to become the standard way of verification

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Hmmm, “as common” is subjective. Where I was from, dashcams weren’t allowed.

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What country doesn’t allow dash-cams? How do you even deal with a he-said she-said situation in a car crash?

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Germany for one doesn’t allow them. Privacy rights of the filmed supersed rights of the filmer.

The exception are action cams that perpetually overwrite content and only store it when an impact is detected.

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Western Europe has a couple. Either way, I wanted one but got a lawyer telling me I’m better off not getting it, because I’d only ever be able to hand footage off for insurance and I’d better hope the incident was in private property.

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After the backlash that was created by Google Glass and the clusterfucks that other hip consumer-oriented wearable cameras (like Snap’s Spectacles, Ray Ban’s and Bose’s glasses) have been, I don’t expect this to happen.

It’s much more likely that CCTV will be so pervavise that we’re unlikely to have any expectation of privacy whatsoever, once in public and that governments and the private sector will have access to most of it.

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If they don’t already. Probably more of to what degree at this point.

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problem is trusting those sources.

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