Anyone else remember, in the lead up to the ObamaCare vote, when the GOP used the idea of government officials (death panels) deciding who should get treatment and who should die as a fear mongering tactic?
My my my how the turns have tabled.
It’s ok when multi billion dollar insurance companies do it when they decide which med they’re going to pay for.
I had to go to the ER recently because my insurance decided to stop paying for the higher quality iron infusion formulation and switched to only being willing to pay for the cheapest options. Turns out the cheap, less popular options are more likely to have bad reactions.
Wish I could sue them, or at least have whoever made that decision suffer the pain that I did.
I can at least be somewhat comforted by the fact that that emergency visit cost them a lot more than the usual formulation would have. Try to save money on my health care? Fuck you, too.
Yeah, just as long as the government keeps its damned hands off my medicare!
My insurance company is my friend! They make the pills that make the sad go away cost less.
Tables didn’t turn.
That back then, as everything they say now, is pure projection of things they did or plan to do.
And then again I seriously have to ask why nobody is looking into New York Trump properties that have a pizza place or other food joint in it, because there’s children being sextrafficed in its basement.
There have ALWAYS been death panels. There are death panels RIGHT NOW.
They’re occupied by insurance corporations balancing the profit from your premiums and the cost of your treatment. Is it cheaper to let someone die? Can we save the life so they will continue to pay premiums? Can we deny treatment without a media circus that makes us look bad? If there IS a media circus, will they die soon enough that everybody forgets?
I would rather take corporate profit out of the equation.
Anytime someone says death panels I have a compulsive need to post this:
Frame Canada: Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might… like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada
This explains so freaking much about how everyone is always terrified of Canadian health care when it works decently well. (Perfect? No!) But so many of their problems in accessing specialists are identical to ours. (Most common argument I hear.)
And it was just so much easier getting on antidepressants and switching up my birth control methods while I was in Canada than if I had tried the same in the US.
What do you think health insurers are? Their business plan is literally “well, maybe you’ll die before we agree to pay for the treatment. We can always change the agreement tomorrow anyway.”
I don’t remember (but should), can you give me some more info to have because this is too good of an example to not use.
Fucking insanity. Nobody but this woman and her fucking doctor should even know about this shit. Unbelievable.
That was what Roe was actually about, the right to medical privacy and patient doctor sovereignty
I agree, but please add the father in there. Not trying to derail the conversation, but he is losing his child too and the woman he loves’s life is on the line. We do need to start remembering to respect partners during these types of events.
Because it’s about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what’s happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it’s still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.
I asked my doctor, you know, best case, how much time she thinks we would have with her. And she said, ‘Could be an hour. Could be a week,’ but that we needed to prepare ourselves to be placing this baby onto hospice. There’s no treatment. So that was very, very hard," Cox said.
Why bring a life into the world just to suffer and die?
These laws are beyond cruel. And the authorities are actively fighting to deny justice.
How is it not god’s will that the fetus is aborted? I thought eVErYThiNG HApPeNS fOR a rEAsOn & gOd HAs a PLaN
It’s pretty goddamn arrogant to assume ~that this is what god wants, especially one who is ostensibly a loving god~ you know god’s will when god is something beyond our realm of comprehension*
*assuming god even exists**
**you may now shove me in a locker for my prattling on
The Christian god was never loving. He has always been an egomaniacal sociopath with an inferiority complex and some mood disorder. Maybe borderline personality disorder. He seems paranoid, controlling, and prone to manipulation and explosive rage when he feels line he has been slighted.
I may be misremembering the DSM negative characteristic map for BPD though. To anyone with BPD out there reading this, I apologize for making a joke at your expense. I know it is a very difficult mental illness to live with, at least when you recognize what is going on. I have known a few people who did not and it wasn’t pretty for those in their life.
Because it’s about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what’s happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it’s still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.
“I’m a Texan. I love Texas. I’m raising my children here. I was raised here. I’ve built my academic career, my professional career here. You know, I plan to stay. And so I want to be able to get access to the medical care that I need, and my daughter to have it as well,” Cox said.
Yeah I don’t think you are learning anything out of this. Stay in a state that does not care about you. Like a physical abusive relationship.
I don’t really agree with the abusive relationship analogy. Things only change if there are people there who want it to change. While I understand and sympathise with the desire to leave, I have the utmost respect for those who choose to stay and try to make/ be the change needed.
A lot of people have stayed in abusive relationships for that reason: “They can change! I can change them.” Meanwhile the state is rapidly moving backwards. This is like being dragged behind the abuser’s truck and not wanting to cut the rope.
A lot of people stay in abusive relationships because they don’t have a realistic opportunity to leave. A lot of people in abusive states like Texas stay because they don’t have a realistic opportunity to leave.
Which is why I don’t agree with the analogy. Because that is not the solution when it comes to political ideologies.
History is full of terrible ideologies. Things like women’s right to vote, and segregation. If people who disagreed and who had the means to leave all did, these likely would still be laws in the US.
If Ohio voters left Ohio when it went red, they wouldn’t have abortion access or weed right now.
But enough taxpayers leaving can have a real effect. Enough people leave, the government notices and has to ask ‘why?’
This was my initial reaction as well, but now I’m not so sure. Somebody has to be the public example, and fight this broken system. This has gotten a large amount of national media exposure, and that is ultimately what mobilizes voters. She also seems willing to suffer for her convictions, which is more than most people can say.
I saw someone mention Rosa Parks, and it’s the perfect example. Injustice must be fought where it is by individuals who are brave enough to put themselves in harm’s way for it. I have no disdain for people who put themselves and their families ahead of a cause. I’m the same way. But the very least we can do is offer our unconditional support to these heroes.
Meh, I don’t think any of this matters. The right in US is winning BIGLY and none of those examples, media exposure or voter mobilization really matters. The right in 4 years of Trump managed to ban abortion and take control of the supreme court for the next, what?, 20 years? 30? Meanwhile, Biden and Democrats just sit there doing nothing. US need urgent reforms of education, healthcare, policing, gun laws, judiciary, political parties financing and many more a none of this will happen. The only things that’s actually changing is that the government gets weaker and corporations get stronger. The only thing this type of activism can achieve is taking half step back while each Republican term the entire country takes 10 big steps forward in the direction of dictatorship. Looking from outside I’m amazed at how bad thing are in US and how little people realize this.
Maybe the fact that you’re looking in “from the outside” explains why you’re operating under the misconception that Democrats ever had unchecked power to do any of those things.
While I get the sentiment, remember this is part of Republican’s grand plan. If they can make things so bad that liberals largely all concentrate in the likes of CA, NY, MA, IL, OR, WA, CT, RI, and VT, they can guarantee themselves permanent control of the Senate and a massive leg up on the presidency. They get to effectively gerrymander America.
They have already done this in the likes of Ohio and Florida. These former swing states are now solidly Red.
Republicans are worried about Texas, though. Republicans cannot take the White House without Texas. But an influx of people and changing demographics are pushing Texas toward purple territory. So they are doing everything to make the state hostile to liberals.
She is also trying to rally Texans to her side, and if she started saying “this state sucks” she would win less sympathy.
Most of the people who are being harmed cannot leave. They are too poor to do so.
But many are not. Many live in this shit-stain of a state and instead of voting with their feet, stay and complain.
It wasn’t too long ago that Texas actually had a Democrat governor, and California a Republican governor.
This reminds me of the argument that US police shoot and kill more innocent unarmed white people than they do black people. A. Shut the fuck up, you have no concept of how to normalize statistics so they are meaningfully comparable. B. Why do you seem to be ok, at all, that police officers shoot and kill enough unarmed innocent people every year to even make this point something that is worth discussing?
