Been looking for a search engine that isn’t plauged with SEO garbage every time I look for anything. Been using DDG for quite a long time now, and I’m starting to get dissatisfied with results. It seems like more and more results are just companies trying to make their way to the top of the search results instead of anything organic. It’s even worse when I look for any kind of service or product.

Looking for as close to 100% organic results as possible.

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I don’t think you’ll find anything. Search engines locate relevant results by design. The only way they can do that is by interpreting the contents of public-facing webpages. There are some things they can do to combat obvious keyword stuffing, but ultimately, overly SEO’d sites are going to work around it with content that appears relevant but really isn’t (think recipe websites with 20 paragraphs and pictures of bullshit nobody cares about and the actual content you want to see at the bottom … that kind of thing).

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A search engine that used Bayesian filtering could work, with users providing feedback on results. This approach works well for a spam filter (and gamed search results is essentially a form of spam), and as spammers change tactics to try to game it, the bayesian algorithm adapts.

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  • so yeah, Google is Google, the very definition of SEO – to the point now they will completely ignore your query to show you “relevant” results
  • and Bing is Microsoft, ’nuff said – although I hear they seem to be THE choice for porn searches …
  • people have been claiming DuckDuckGo has become just a frontend for Bing which is why their results have been declining 🤷
  • ad tech company System1 owns a majority stake of Startpage – apparently they’ve mollified PrivacyTools that it would not impact Startpage’s privacy focused mission
  • Qwant out of France actually seems to be stepping up as a good netizen, not only focusing on privacy but also investing in privacy initiatives in EU
  • otherwise you’re stuck bouncing around SearX SearXNG instances – Google and Bing REALLY don’t like meta search engines and will regularly block overactive instances

EDIT: looks like SearX is pretty much dead and had been replaced by SearXNG

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These points seem to mirror my experience for the most part. DuckDuckGo has also been going downhill because certain search modifiers don’t work anymore. Microsoft raised the price of API queries which in turn made it too expensive for DuckDuckGo to maintain certain ones. I mostly enjoyed it because it gives you access to Bing’s search results without the user-hostile UX garbage Microsoft loves to put on all its products. These days I’m using Kagi. It’s been about six months now and I’m really enjoying it.

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Qwant “The search engine that doesn’t know anything about you, …”

Clicks on link: “Unfortunately we are not yet available in your country.”

🤔

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I mean … I suppose that’s marginally better than Google’s frontpage telling me what town I’m in?

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I guess any site will have access to the address that is used to access them. The question is what do they do with it. Maybe Qwant has a bot that scans addresses and sends back this message if they are not operating in a specific country. Important thing is that they don’t put any cookie in your navigator and don’t keep any information after you’ve left.

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I’m not quite sure what Qwant is basing their country availability on

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What’s most annoying about the “tailored experience” is that they presume to know what you’re looking for, even though you directly told them what to show you. They don’t give a fuck about relevancy, they’re going to show you whatever is going to make them the most money, which usually means corporate ad crap, and outrage news. Plus if they show you shit results then you’ll search multiple times and they’ll get to show you 4 times the ads.

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and then there is monocles 👍

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I’d be curious to understand what Qwant brings extra to the table compared to DDG. Backend is the same, results seem quite similar and it’s missing some things like math and conversion quick tools.

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https://kagi.com/ if you haven’t heard of it. Has been working well for me. I went from DDG to this.

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Same here.

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Same here too

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+1 for kagi. I tried it out with their trial offer and liked it enough to stay with it. Used DDG before that.

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100% kagi. I only need google if looking for images/video. But otherwise kagi is significantly better than anything I’ve ever used. Worth the $10/mo I pay

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You need to be more specific about what you mean by “SEO garbage” because every search engine is going to put “SEOed” pages higher up.

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I guess we all know that mean, some page are filled with just a bunch of keyword and no content to just raising it SEO and for visitor traffic.

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SearX or yacy are probably the best fit for this if you’re looking to avoid manipulated results. Qwant seems pretty good too but I have only been using it for about a month.

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