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“If Putin wins in Ukraine, there is real risk that his aggression will not end there. Our support is not charity. It is an investment in our security,” - NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.

“The only way to reach a just and lasting solution is to convince President Putin that they will not win on the battlefield,” @jensstoltenberg continued.

“And the only way to ensure that President Putin realises that he is not winning on the battlefield is to continue to support Ukraine.”

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A lot of people either never saw or have forgotten the statements and clues that Russia does not plan to stop.

They’ve repeatedly said they want to take back the Baltic countries. That’s why there’s an American unit stationed there now. Invasion plans included Moldova. Every border country except Hungary has reported Russian attempts to create civil unrest.

It’s obvious the Russians think they can avoid an article 5 declaration by having a country “voluntarily” leave NATO and join CSTO. This was in fact their plan for Ukraine, just with the EU instead. Their puppet got elected with massive amounts of misinformation, a vulnerable incumbent (his corruption was exposed), and promises to keep the country in the process of joining the EU. It was the reversal of joining the EU to instead sign treaties with Russia that triggered the Maidan. And then Putin reacted with Crimea and the Donbas region.

That’s also part of a very old Russian playbook meant to keep countries from joining NATO. Because NATO doesn’t allow countries to join if they have territorial disputes going on. That’s why so many Eastern European countries have territorial disputes with Russian aligned separatists.

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You’re completely correct. That said, and being Finnish, they can fucking try to bring it. We even have the correct amount of snow atm.

Joking aside, nobody sane wants ww3, but if we had to we’d show them another thing altogether.

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Finns keeping the cocktails ready

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But they still can’t join NATO tho.

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For a very good reason. Nobody wants to edge world war 3.

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@Maggoty @nullPointer Fear of a 3rd world war plays into the hand of russian propaganda. Russia is geographically the world largest country. Economically they are the size of Italy.
Is Italy a superpower? No. Neither is Russia.
And Russia will never start atomic warfare against multiple NATO nuclear powers.

NATO members just shy away from getting into direct conflict. If they wouldn’t, Russia would be dead.
Or can you imagine Italy winning a world war?

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Sure. Are you willing to bet everyone’s lives on that?

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“Just this one thing, because it’s rightfully mine, but then you have nothing to fear from me.”

–Putin in Ukraine, 2014

“Just this one thing, because it’s rightfully mine, but then you have nothing to fear from me.”

–Putin in Ukraine 2022

“Just this one thing, because it’s rightfully mine, but then you have nothing to fear from me.”

–Putin at your doorstep, near future

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Did Hitler stop at the sudetenland? Did he stop at Poland? Putin is following his playbook play by play, why would he stop?

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Not just an investment but a really good one, with the cost in blood being paid by someone else. I don’t understand why the usually hawkish Republicans don’t see this. Is it just because Biden supports it? I wonder if they would be demanding intervention in Ukraine if Biden had decided to stay neutral…

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I don’t understand why the usually hawkish Republicans don’t see this.

You seriously think they don’t see it? They’re all either fully compromised or largely funded by Russia. These people aren’t well-meaning citizens doing their best for America, they are fully loyal to Russia and all of this is a part of Russia’s well-understood and plainly stated plan.

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they have been bought and paid for by Russia

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Liberals, and actual patriots, see what’s happening in Ukraine and say, “This is terrible! It’s an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation!”

Fascists see it as, “Hey there sexy mama. You wanna kill all those ‘other’ people?”

The alt right has firmly placed itself as a voting bloc within the Republican party so yeah…fascist gonna fascism.

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Please look up the definition of fascism and stop throwing “fascism” at everything that isn’t.

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Hi. I studied political ideology in college. The GOP qualifies as Fascist. They have a cult of personality; autocratic ideals; a chosen enemy; hierarchical wealth, race, and gender beliefs; and strong beliefs in subordinating oneself for the collective good that routinely turns out to be just whatever is good for the guys on top.

The people ringing the alarms now aren’t the kind of person to put the F word on a protest sign because the town council decided to ban a couple books.

Edit to add- They’ve literally openly talked about subverting our Democracy to stay in power. They tried to have a palace coup on January 6th. They’ve given themselves the power to take over certifying votes in districts designated by a state legislature or committee. They even tried to ask SCOTUS to rule that the state legislature was the only legitimate power in elections. Cutting out the entire election system and state supreme courts.

They aren’t going to stop because you put your head in the sand.

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