This reminded me of this old xkcd.
Btw, we don’t even get much ice anymore here. 20 years ago, as a child, i could go scating on the frozen lake.
Follow up: https://xkcd.com/1322/
They will grow up but it will be a much different world. Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right. Instead of fixing problems, oil and gas companies are doubling down on fossil fuel extraction. Kids will grow up to have all kinds of respiratory illnesses and also facing a world that is melting around them.
Most years we’re in below 20 degree snowy weather. Today it’s 50 degrees here, it’s Dec 18th and we’ve only seen snow in our mountains, which is very rare for us in Utah. Not that I’m complaining about the heat -I love warmer weather, and I absolutely detest the sight of snow in any way, shape or form. But it is weird that we’re not even going to have snow on the ground this Christmas (we might get some rain this week).
Temperature translation for non-Americans:
70°F ≈ 21.1°C
50°F = 10°C
20°F ≈ -6.7°C
Conversion for the Midwest
70f= nice out 50f= nice out 20f= bring a hoodie. It’s nice out.
It’s currently 50F° in my living room. It’s been like this since start of December. Heating is for weaklings.
Here’s an easy way for disadvantaged yanks to learn Celsius:
40C = 104F perfect hot tub temp
30C = 86F hot day
20C = 68F nice cool day
10C = 50F chilly day
0C = 32F freezing
Commit these to memory, then it’s exactly 9F for every 5C in between. (or about 2:1)
[da fak with the downvotes? Just refuse to learn?]
You give multiple references and say remember these and then do some estimations. Just subtract 30, divide by 2. 80F is approximately 25C. I’m not cooking meth here I’m arguing on the Internet.
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Right? Who has use for a temperature scale which has 100 as the upper level of human comfort and zero as the lower end?
This shows one of the things I don’t like about Celsius: that 10C is a fairly comfortable 50F, but then suddenly you’re at freezing only 10° lower.
Fahrenheit is just an easier scale for everyday temps. But I will admit that 32° is dumb as a freezing point.
Bad bot. Temperature conversions for conversational threads should not manufacture extra significant figures.
70F is 21C, and if you need more precision than that, it’s not in a Lemmy thread!
I’m not a bot. (Yes, I copy-pasted that response in one more place in this discussion. Still not a bot.) And as for the precision, at this point, for temperatures in the Celsius, that’s basically just a matter of opinion. I figured in the moment that one digit after the decimal point would be good. No, I did not write a long thesis comparing arguments and pros and cons for any of the options. Sorry if the result didn’t meet your exact preferences.
Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right.
That’s amazing. She died in 1964 and still kept working.
Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans,
I feel ya, but try not to give in to that feeling, as it’s also the last step in the oil companie’s PR playbook; when it’s finally coming knowledge, to say "well, yes it was our fault but it’s too late to do anything about it "
Well it’s not a very positive outlook, but I’ve heard it from scientists more than from big oil and gas (that it’s too late to turn back these effects). I"m not saying we can’t try to mitigate these things going forward, maybe we can make huge changes by taking small steps toward cleaner energy sources.
I’m up in Mammoth right now and it is raining, absolutely wild for this time of year. I didn’t even bother snowboarding this trip because the slopes are more conducive to ice-skating. Caught of on a lot of sleep though, so that was nice.
Mammoth, that’s gotta pretty nice right now (if you don’t mind no snow). Not as cold as it usually is for this time of year. I want to go there soon, hopefully this coming summer, because it’s usually nicer up there.
I mean… This isn’t that rare in Utah? Last year was wild, but besides that, this is pretty par for course the last 5 years, and not out of the normal for the last 5 before that. Especially not having snow sticking in the Valley…
Don’t get me wrong, I’m probably going to bail on Utah soon because how fucked this are getting with the climate/droughts/air quality… But this year isn’t some wild leap
My kids won’t have this problem. Given the circumstances that have been obvious for 40-50 years I made the best and most responsible parenting decision possible. I didn’t have any.
But now your responsible, climate-concerned genes have been removed from the gene-pool.
I’m not going to force children to live in a future I have no faith in just so I can say I’m part of the “gene pool”. It’s unfair to make them pay the costs for several lifetimes of greed and irresponsibility. To me, that’s exceptionally arrogant and cruel.
I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not willing to bet my child’s future on that.
I’m worried about an Idiocracy scenario. If all the people that care about the climate and environment decide that not having kids is a solution, we’re just going to be left with all the irresponsible idiots reproducing. It’s like choosing not to vote because you don’t like either candidate.
Very few people who live, regret having lived. That is, even people who go through the toughest of times. I’d pick being born today in a lower income family, over not being born, 100 times out of 100.
If you feel like you’ll be a capable parent, it is not at all cruel.
Good. Humans are a trash fire and I wish them all that they deserve. I no longer consider myself part of their species. They’re not fit to breed with.
Friends/acquaintances with young children always want to know why my wife and I chose not to have kids. I get very dirty looks when my first answer is “there are already too damn many people in the world as it is”
The economists are the worst. “Don’t you know, we need children to fund your retirement! Economies need a growing population!”
Yeah, fuck off. That’s not sustainable and you know it. We’re going to need to figure out how to make shrinking populations work.
I really respect that sentiment. Like, I don’t have kids of my own, but I am majorly conflicted about having them because i know that their lives will be massively impacted by this shit. I don’t know if I can do that to them.
People living near the equator are still having kinds, and those families will need to move somewhere when things get too bad there. They will come and replace the family you didn’t have when it comes time for the great food wars.
YOU’RE IN THE JUNGLE BABY
YOU’RE GONNA DIIIIIIE
This will be especially true once Alaska becomes warm enough to support a jungle.
70 degrees of what? Freedom?
Temperature translation for non-Americans:
70°F ≈ 21.1°C
50°F = 10°C
20°F ≈ -6.7°C
I posted this further upthread, but it bears repeating. Don’t manufacture fake precision. Nobody says “It’s 69.8 degrees out”, just like nobody says “It’s 21.1°C”. 70F is 21C, and if you need more precision than that, it’s not in a Lemmy comment!
I get what you’re saying, but there are threads on Lemmy that get super technical. Those do require quite a bit of specifics in some cases.
It’s slightly below freezing and snowing here in West-Central Indiana. We haven’t been above the 50s yet this Dember.
Now admittedly, the 50s in December is not the same as when I was a kid and we are definitely doing great damage to the Earth’s climate and biosphere, but saying kids aren’t going to grow up because of it is a bit hyperbolic.
but saying kids aren’t going to grow up because of it is a bit hyperbolic.
Yes. It’s a facetious tweet… You are in a meme community. You’ll have to get used to seeing jokes here.
No kidding (!) Thanks for man-splaining that to me. (Rolls eyes)… if that’s the case then why is it that whenever I make a facetious comment nobody sees it as such and everyone thinks I’m being serious. You’re preaching to the choir here without realizing it.
Of course they are going to grow up. 20 years are nothing. Those are issues that will only start to get serious after that time. Which is exactly why so little is happening now.
Two years ago, a “once in a hundred years” wind storm downed trees that had been around for decades. Many of them fell on houses, garages, etc. Last year, the once in a hundred years wind storm took down even more. We haven’t had the every hundred year storm this year yet but I am expecting it. The issues are serious.
On a positive note, more of us are adding our voices and resources to combat the profiteers. Join us if you can.
And here in Utah we’re having sunshine all over the place, which is odd for us this time of year. In fact it will be mid-50s this week and we may get rain, but no snow this year for Christmas (which I’m fine with). The sun is coming out again today and it feels like it’s mid-August, not December! I love the warm weather and am not a ski person, so I happen to love it - but it is so WEIRD!
I’m not suggesting nothing is happening. I’m just saying there’s a huge gap between ‘it’s way too warm for this time of year than it used to be’ and ‘children of this generation won’t grow up.’