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WSWS isn’t a great source because it’s based on a cause.

However, here’s the report.

It’s uh… Not good.

At what point does the Foreign Assistance Act’s ban on sending aid to countries in violation of human rights standards come into play? It seems like we’re getting a report on a new war crime every few days, which is a breathtaking rate for a professional Army.

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At what point does the Foreign Assistance Act’s ban on sending aid to countries in violation of human rights standards come into play?

when it’s politically convenient and not a moment before

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15 points

Too true.

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5 points

Sad but true

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I just saw a report that the US is going to agree to a UN resolution to let more aid into Gaza. I wonder if this is why.

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It’s looking like Biden is trying to score brownie points for Christmas season so people stop talking about him committing genocide in the birth land of Jesus during family diners.

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2 points

If it helps Palestinians I’ll take it, regardless if it’s just for political points or not.

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It won’t be popular here - but that report is just a report of allegations and is also not substantiated by anything?

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If the UN says it, it’s always true.

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5 points

The report includes the sources.

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The report is just repeating allegations and asking for an investigation. Did no one else read it?

It is not a finding of fact or anything similar.

The report here also does not include sources or evidence.

The current membership of the HRC is: Albania, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burundi, China, Côte d’Ivoire, Cuba, Dominican Republic, France, Ghana, Indonesia, Japan, Kuwait, Malawi and the Netherlands.

Do with that what you will.

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-48 points

Genocide Joe removed any restriction of human rights violations on the aid for israel so until you vote him out

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Oh yes because Trump would use our forces to do it instead.

Look, don’t counter with 3rd party. That’s literally throwing your vote away.

Biden is the only way to beat Trump. There are backwards racists in the Democrats too. You’re not going to get support for anything than an old white guy until at least 2028…

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4 points

Isn’t what you’re doing straight up “whataboutism”?

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-29 points

Who are you to tell people they are throwing THEIR votes away?

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Just say “I don’t care about Genocide I only care about my student loans. Fuck Arab babies they can all die if I get some money. I am as morally reprehensible as every single billionaire I condemn”.

Take your mask off already and stop pretending.

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9 points

What you should have said was nothing.

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Guy asks a question about what it will take to stop Genocide Joe from his Zionazi escapades

I give the only correct answer since bombing children’s hospitals full of already maimed kids doesn’t seem to cross a red line for Biden

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If anyone is still wondering why Hamas and other resistance factions are fighting, this is what happens when the IDF wins.

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Fuck Hamas. They are not “resisting”, they killed innocent civilians, women and children, and don’t give a flying fuck about the Palestinian civilians either (cf Moussa Abu Marzouk’s declaration that they are not responsible for defending the civilians in Gaza). They are a creation of the Israeli apartheid regime’s own making when they were hoping to destroy the credibility of the PA, to perpetuate their colonialist narrative. Hamas and the Israeli apartheid are two sides of the same brutal, inhuman coin. Fuck Hamas as much as the Likud and the ultranationalist Israeli right to the seventh pit of hell.

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on the radio I heard two scholars discussing recent polls that reveal a surprisingly strong level of support for Hamas among gazans even now, despite the level of backlash that has resulted. when asked why, they said that Palestinians have long given up any hope that negotiations could achieve their goal of freedom and independence. they said that since negotiating has clearly failed for decades, Palestinians feel that the only remaining option Israel has left them is aggression and violence. and Hamas is the leadership that is willing to resort to violence.

while I certainly feel awful about any innocent Israelis getting caught up in the original attack, I can’t help but feel like Israel has done this to themselves. they have caged an entire group like wild animals for decades and somehow have the audacity to blame them for lashing out.

but let’s be honest here. we have all heard these points and most of us have already made up our minds about it.

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on the radio I heard two scholars discussing recent polls that reveal a surprisingly strong level of support for Hamas among gazans even now, despite the level of backlash that has resulted

That’s what trauma does to you. Initially, support for Hamas had dwindled before October 7th, but after you literally drop bombs and bombs on people until they have to carry whatever is left of their children in blankets and plastic bags, well…

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12 points

It’s hard to not let your emotions take over, but Hamas only exists because of the hatred of Israel.

Hamas exists because Israel doesn’t want Palestines to exist.

Terrorist organisation typically don’t continue to exist for extended periods of time without external assistance.

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This is silly, not mentioning Iran as the actual people training and funding Hamas is either very deceptive or evidence you have no idea about anything happening in the middle East.

Also acting like Hamas are the only terrorist organisation in the middle East and a total novelty is absolutely absurd, when people call them freedom fighters without any reference to what they’re actually saying they’re fighting for is again totally deceptive or from a total lack of understanding - they don’t want freedom they want a theocratic dictatorship and death to all non Muslims.

That’s not too say everything Israel have done of good or moral but painting Hamas as innocent people just fighting for their freedom is laughable

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That’s what I said:

They are a creation of the Israeli apartheid regime’s own making when they were hoping to destroy the credibility of the PA, to perpetuate their colonialist narrative. Hamas and the Israeli apartheid are two sides of the same brutal, inhuman coin.

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Bastards killing civilians one direction. Bastards killing civilians in the other direction.

If the bastards could fucking kill the other bastards and not involve civilians, that’d be pretty swell. If the IDF and Hamas actually fight each other and no civilians are hurt, everyone wins.

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For fucks sake, Hamas is not a “resistance faction” and pretty much nothing was happening until they decided to poke the bear. They’re a bunch of worthless shitstains who don’t give two shits about the welfare of Palestinians.

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What do you think Israel should’ve done after Hamas killed over a thousand people?

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When IDF wins? They could have done this years ago with Hamas started their raine of terror over Israel following Israel trying to do a good will gesture in Gaza. Instead Israel agreed to ceasefire after ceasfire that Hamas continously broke with thousands of rockets fired at civilians. This last massacre by Hamas was simply the straw that broke the camel’s back.

You know why Hamas are fighting? Because their goal is to murder every jew they can. They don’t want peace, they want blood.

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Was Native American raids on “Settlements” terrorism? Was Nat Turner’s rebellion terrorism?

Hamas is evil and the acts they have done are evil. But they weren’t created in a vacuum. Peace and a one or two state solution needs to be agreed apone by all with a right to self determination for the cycle of evil to stop.

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Do you like this group of people? If yes, freedom fighters; if not, terrorists

Do you like this state? If yes, government; if not, regime.

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Native American militias didn’t brutalise Native Americans, much unlike Hamas does to Palestinians.

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Is it possible for you to argue without analogies? They’re never a 1:1 representation of the situation at hand. All they do is serve to distract from the conversation by making people debate the accuracy of the analogy.

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I bet you’d call the Viet Cong terrorists during the Vietnam war too lol.

This is similar to that in some regards too; similar guerilla tactics, and they’re also fighting to drive away an occupying force and reunify their country.

Their attack on Oct 7 was brutal, but it’s nothing compared to the shit Israel has been repeatedly doing for the last half century.

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-57 points

No, this is what happens when you give them an excuse.

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36 points

There is never an excuse for blatant warcrimes.

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First of all, Hamas is a terrorist organization and I fully support Israel in removing it. It definitely is not a resistance group.

However, Israel has to change the way they approach the problem. Especially limiting shenanigans like this one and using stupid bombs.

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Executions ≠ shenanigans. Are you fucking kidding?

Edit: typo

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Dang, so the IDF gets your blessing even though they’re killing 10x as many civilians as a terrorist organization?

Even though they’re killing more civilians than Russia?

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Were you replying to a different post or something?

However, Israel has to change the way they approach the problem. Especially limiting shenanigans like this one and using stupid bombs.

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-10 points

Wow it’s like you completely and utterly ignored his second paragraph entirely.

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36 points

Those darn Israelis and their ethnic cleansing shenanigans.

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30 points

Zionism is a mental illness at this point.

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Based on your comment, can I ask what would be your solution the whole Palestine-Israel conflict?

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The constant attacks against Israel and it’s increasing isolation only probs Zionists right. Jews can only trust themselves for their own defense and need a state for that (that’s what Zionism is). People like you feed Zionism everyday.

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Was Native American raids on “Settlements” terrorism? Was Nat Turner’s rebellion terrorism?

Hamas is evil and the acts they have done are evil. But they weren’t created in a vacuum. Peace and a one or two state solution needs to be agreed apone by all with a right to self determination for the cycle of evil to stop.

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It’s time to put in a UN peacekeeping force and a transitional government for a single state solution. Israel has beyond lost it’s moral high ground and should be treated like any other colonial remnant in the post colonial world.

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Ones terrorist group is another’s resistance heroes. Which is which very much depends on the side you’re sitting at.

Hamas is indeed a terror group and should be removed but it’s hard not to see your bias. In sheer numbers, the IDF has killed multiples of what Hamas killed, in cruelty they’re really the same, and Hamas has the “excuse” of 70 years or so of oppression, murder, theft, etc by the Israeli side, the IDF doesn’t have that excuse.

The IDF is a terrorist organisation too and the only difference is that the IDF is state sanctioned and managed, whereas Hamas is not.

You, however, call what is starting to look like a genocide “shenanigans” that should be better managed whereas you outright call Hamas a terrorist group. Bias much?

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Hey don’t dare to call Hamas as cruel as the IDF. They don’t torture their hostages nor shoot children. Nor do they try to kill people from other religions such as Christians living in Gaza nor do they try to steal other people’s land.

They resist a genocidal Nazi regime and sometimes don’t do it the neatest way but from their position of fighting against their oppressors they hold pretty high moral standards.

Hamas is infinitely humane than the IDF.

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You can’t kill a terrorist group. The US spent the last 20 years proving that. You can only defend yourself and reform people/institutions to invalidate the ideology.

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All israel would need to do for Hamas to die out is not commit genocide or ethnically cleanse Palestinians and occupy their land.

But people here forget that that’s literally what israel is about.

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Shenanigans are things you can film with Yakkity Sax as background music. Boots Randolph doesn’t provide the soundtrack to genocide.

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You can’t use that word!!! The Big Brains™ will tell you that unless Israel is targeting every single Palestinian on earth then it’s not genocide!

/Wrist

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10 points

Get fucked shitbag

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Haha murdering civilians is good!

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Bad Israel and their shenanigans genocide

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Bad Israel and their shenanigans genocide

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2 points

Jump off a building please.

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I know you would love it but not this time, sorry ;)

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You mean like how Israel should stop supporting terrorists like Hamas then using them as an excuse to commit genocide?

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Of course, Israel supporting Hamas was a dirty move and it was one of Israel biggest mistakes. There is no way to excuse that.

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You really don’t know what you’re talking about though, this is an often repeated talking point which comes from pretty much nothing, do you have any evidence for it or did you half read a headline in a meme post without realising the argument being made is ‘by allowing aid into Gaza it’s proping up Hamas’ because that’s where that ‘funding Hamas’ line actually comes from.

Israel don’t let enough aid through and they’re the bad guys, they let aid through and they’re the bad guys - they don’t have a cease fire and they’re the bad guys, or they have a cease fire and fail to totally remove Hamas so again they’re the bad guys…

Iran funds Hamas and sturs up trouble as a way of maintaining support at home and due to their fanatical religious ideals -that bit isn’t even sightly complicated, you don’t need conspiracy theories

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They are are a resistance group, but that’s not really imoortant: I agree that Israel is justified in getting rid of them. What isn’t justified is almost everything they’ve done to achieve that aim.

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They have nothing in common with a resistance group. They are just brutal terrorists who have been terrible both to Israel and Gaza, as well. Just look at how much money were they getting and see how it ended.

Israel has done war crimes, so it’s logical to condemn them for these actions. I believe they should have kept the approach from the beginning when they were precisely targeting the most dangerous buildings because Hamas was still a threat.

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Israel is worse than Russia, at least going by the numbers.

Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years.

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To be fair though, the Russian army is a joke, and say what you want about the IDF, they’re good at their job. Their job is to mostly murder innocent civilians, and they’re quite good at that, much more efficient than the Russian army

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Well they’ve been trained well

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Yeah, but that’s what we know of. It’s suspected that there’s a record breaking (for modern Europe) mass grave outside Mariupol. I doubt the numbers will get as high as the IDFs, but we can’t get any independent journalists or investigators past Russia’s front line from my understanding.

Also, like the other guy said, that fight is a bad professional army vs a better smaller professional army.

The IDF vs Hamas is an okay but cruel professional army against a relatively bad terrorist organization.

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“Okay but cruel” seems like a weird way to say bad

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Weird way to say “war criminals”

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I think he means their performance in combat, going by the way he spoke of Ukraine/Russia in the comment.

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Yeah, I wasn’t sure how to phrase it. Well trained but bad is a better phrasing I suppose. I find it hard to use the word “bad” when both sides are “bad” idk. I get where both sides come from in the fight 🤷‍♂️

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“Okay” means they are not as cool as they think. A good professional army would wipe its arse with them. Naturally Hamas is not that, nor anything threatening them.

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The IDF vs Hamas is an okay but cruel professional army against a relatively bad terrorist organization.

IDF was literally created by combining terrorist organizations, Haganah and Irgun being the big ones. So, unless the militant wing of Hamas is the cruel, professional Army, it’s terrorists vs. terrorists.

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This opinion makes no sense to me. The US Army was also formed during a terrorist action, so was the Russian red army. We wouldn’t have called the Russian red army in WW2 a terrorist organization, and we certainly wouldn’t call the US military a terrorist organization. We could call them cruel or bad or whatever based on personal opinions, but we wouldn’t call them terrorist organizations.

For a more extreme example, the Nazi military was far far worse than Hamas or the IDF and I still would call them a professional military. They were still state sanctioned, trained to a specific common standard, paid a wage, internationally recognized as a military force, etc. etc.

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Mariupol

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/

9000 killed 17000 injured in Ukraine in total. Sources are usually ~1000 above or below this number.

Israel killed more civilian in one month than Russia did since the start of their invasion.

Israel has already killed twice as many civilians now as Russia has in Ukraine.

Israel is wayyyy worse than Russia. The israelis are actual Nazis but Jewish.

Russia says “special military operation” instead of “war”.

Israel says “war” instead of “Genocide”.

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Oh, i was expecting another cero after the flatenning of the city… thanks

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A witness told the Euro-Med monitor, “Thirteen persons were shot dead and several more were critically injured. The Israeli soldiers later threw shells at the women, who were being held in one of the rooms.” Euro-Med Monitor also recorded a rise in field executions following reports of attacks on Israeli military vehicles by Palestinian factions. This suggests that the crimes being reported are part of Israel’s unlawful retaliatory policy against Palestinian civilians, which is in violation of international humanitarian law.

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Last month when Hamas terrorists were alleged to be doing the same, according to IDF, American diplomats were pressuring other countries to stop crying fro human rights and just condemn Hamas.

Can we start condemning IDF as a terrorist and genocider organization under control of a rogue government lead by a tyrant now? Just a little bit, please? We will condemn Hamas again, too, if it matters.

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We will condemn Hamas again, too, if it matters.

Spoiler: it never mattered.

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“Those are Self defence mass executions you fucking antisemite” - Israel probably.

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Coward yanks

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