Hamas has thousands of “command centers” it being a very top heavy organization and all. Its estimated for every Hamas soldier there’s 10,000 managers - many of them women and toddlers - unanimously authorizing every war crime committed by Hamas.
The claims relate to an eight-day operation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at the Kamal Adwan Hospital last week, which the military alleges was being used as a command and control center by Hamas.
Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.
If you guys don’t feel good, be sure to visit your local Hamas command and control center.
Joke aside, the whole article is disturbing as fuck.
There is also terrible footage of this https://youtu.be/g5OcE8JqkZM?feature=shared
Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.
It’s not remotely surprising. Hamas run the entire Gaza Strip and have done for 17 years. Many of the doctors in these hospitals are also members of Hamas, including their militant wing, and are themselves responsible for terrorism. There’s no layer of civil infrastructure that has not been infected by Hamas’ poison.
I don’t understand why people believe them.
When Russia bombed civilian churches, apartments, hospitals, and said they were being used as military command centers and such, nobody believed them, it was an obvious lie.
But when Israel says it the whole world just says “Wow makes perfect sense, good job!”
This goes deeper than many people realize. Netanyahu has spent the last couple decades getting criticism of the Israeli government codified as anti-semitism in countries around the world. You can actually lose government funding in many Western countries for “anti-semitism” that’s just pointing out the Israeli government is bad.
Israel put up this whole thing about Tunnels. The thing is, Hamas does use tunnels. But Israel took that as an excuse to bomb anything that even looked like a tunnel on a drone video feed. With 2,000 pound bombs because of course every tunnel in Gaza is obviously super fortified.
The problem with that logic is that Gaza did have modern infrastructure. That means basements, under ground maintenance tunnels, or even just a shelter because Israel bombs Gaza about as often as a Tornado hits in the Midwest. With nothing more than a “hatch” or “tunnel entrance” as evidence, it’s 100% war crime territory. But that requires people to actually think.
there were no israeli zionists at the time, I’d say just zionists. please correct me if I’m wrong
They were Israelis after the war though, and they lived the rest of their lives as Israelis, so it make sense to refer to them as such.
And y’know they considered themselves Israeli before the state even re-existed.
The comparison with the Nazis doesn’t help anything and just makes the discussion a quagmire of historical misanalogies.There are dozens of other cruel and horrible examples from history to compare with, pick another one that does not specifically trigger Jewish sensibilities.
Hell, if you absolutely need to use Germany as an example, use what they did in WW1 in Belgium.
There are Jewish scholars and activists comparing contemporary treatment of Palestinians by Israel with nazism. Are they allowed to make comparisons that trigger Jewish sensibilities?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein
Finkelstein was born to parents who are both Jewish Holocaust survivors in New York City in 1953 (…) Finkelstein has called Israel the “Jewish supremacist state”, and views it as committing the crime of apartheid against the Palestinian people.[5] Through personal accounts in one of his books, he compares the plight of the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation with the horrors of the Nazis.[6]
Did I ban anyone from saying anything? Do what you will. FFS.
All I’m saying is that by picking that rhetorical terrain, you’re choosing to play the game on Israel’s terms and you open up the door to being accused of antisemitism and then you’re having that discussion. It’s a pointless distraction from what they are actually doing.
Any Government that prevents access to food, medicine and potable water to a population of their people they feel are undesirable, has racially coded check points, and white-only roads absolutely deserves to be compared to Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia, or the Confederate states. That government also deserves to share the same fates as those other governments.
Never Again means Never Again without any qualifications.
I understand it hurts, but the ethno-state is the common dream of Hitler and Israel. Facts are facts.
From a German perspective, no, equating current Israel with the third reich is trivialising the latter. OTOH, though, compare Otzma Yehudit to the NSDAP and say “Itamar Ben-Hitler” and “Benjamin von Papen” all you want.
I don’t have the nerve right now to get into details but broad strokes: There’s very much a civil society in Israel, the government is deeply unpopular, and even the IDF is not rotten to the core. Remember when they shot bare-chested Israeli hostages waving white flags? One soldier called out “terrorists!” and opened fire, officer said “WTF stop firing”, then further shots were fired. They’re way too undisciplined to handle their bad apples and loose cannons, definitely, but they’re not a sworn-in band of genocidal maniacs loyal to the death to the Führer.
Hi, I’m a Jew. I also absolutely hate Netanyahu and the entire disgusting coalition of Likud, Tkuma, Otzma Yehudit and all their Kahanist allies.
It’s not anti-semitic to hate the government of the state of Israel, as much as they might like to pretend that the terms are synonymous.
Obviously criticism of the current Israeli government is 100% valid because they suck. And criticizing it is definitely not anti-semitic.
However, is calling for the destruction of Israel anti-semitic? Is calling for the destruction of all Muslim states Islamophobic?
What does this have to do with his comment comparing Israel to Nazis and Netanyahu to Hitler?
You’re all over this thread defending Israel and now you’re equating Jewish people with the Israeli government. Bad faith arguing.
Criticism of Israel ≠ Jew hatred.
Unless you mean to say that, for example, every Jew in JVP is committing Jew Hatred on a daily basis.
History is tolerated. And I’m talking about Israel no Jews. Maybe another few years back to school could help?
Israel, the Jewish state created after the Holocaust, and in which half of all Jews live, you mean?
The director of a Gaza hospital admitted to Israeli interrogators that he had been recruited by Hamas to help turn the Strip’s medical centers into military facilities, the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet) announced on Tuesday.
In a video released by the Shin Bet, Ahmed Kahlot, director of the Kamal Adwan Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip, said, “I was recruited to Hamas in 2010 at the rank of lieutenant colonel. There are employees in the hospital who are military operatives of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam [Hamas’s “military branch”]—doctors, brothers, paramedics, clerks, staff members.”
Kahlot added, “They hide in hospitals because they believe that a hospital is a safe place. They will not be harmed if they are inside a hospital.”
Israel security forces arrested Kahlot on Dec. 12.
During the interrogation, Kahlot describes how Hamas used hospitals and ambulances to hide operatives, launch military activity, transport members of terror squads and even deliver a kidnapped Israeli soldier.
“Hamas has offices inside the hospitals. There are places for senior officials, they also brought a kidnapped soldier there. There is a designated place for investigations, internal security and special security. They all have private phone lines inside the hospital,” he said.
Regarding the kidnapped soldier, Kahlot explained that “Hamas uses private ambulances. It has a different color, and no license plate. It was used to bring the kidnapped soldier and to transfer bodies. It comes and goes and does not take down the wounded.”
Kahlot told the interrogator: “Once I begged them to take a wounded man to the Indonesian hospital, for healing, for treatment. They refused. Their mission is more important.”
Hamas’s leaders, he continued, “are cowards. They left us in the field while they hide…. They destroyed us.”
Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.
The subtext of your message under the context of this thread: “Shooting at civilians is ok, actually”. Thank you for further pushing the world into barbarism with this disgusting shit.
The ‘subtext’ of his message is actually pretty clear, no need to make up something yourself…
Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.
Hostages in Gaza killed by Israeli military while carrying white flag
Two Christian women killed by IDF sniper fire, says Latin Patriarchate
UN calls for probe as Israeli army accused of killing unarmed Palestinians
All of these are from the LAST WEEK. Putting so much effort to put into question trust towards doctors because they’re denouncing crimes against civilians, just everyone else is denouncing from Gaza right now only serves to muddy the waters in the middle of a genocide.
So you mean you cannot trust ANY Palestinian doctors? Is that your claim?
This one is the same that soon after said also that confessions were extorted with tortures? Ot he was another one? Hard to keep count given how the IDF is brutalizing medical stuff all over Palestine…
Zero photo or video evidence of the “command center” only a testimony of a guy that the IDF 100% tortured which they are known for. Totally not suspicious.
The IDF terrorists kidnapping a hospital director and torturing him into a forced confession is basically expected of them now. Scum of the earth
